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The Donovan Mitchell Hype Thread! (repository of highlights and effusive praise)
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Mitchell is quick and explosive enough that an inch here or there on his reach doesn't make much difference. He gets up and gets his hands in the passing lanes faster than most.
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He will play whatever position he wants... Likely tries to win the MVP from every position... sorry I said tries... likely does win the MVP from every position (that's what she said)
CP3 hosting summer workouts for some rookies. Donovan was there, along with Malik Monk, Harry Giles, Elfrid Payton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXMqKSoN2zM
I love it that he's working out with some of the best in the league.
Also, here's more from Mitchell playing with Carmelo, JR Smith and others:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYR107oloeD/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXMqKSoN2zM
I love it that he's working out with some of the best in the league.
Also, here's more from Mitchell playing with Carmelo, JR Smith and others:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYR107oloeD/
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I think that by the end of this season or early next season, Mitchell can replace what George Hill was giving us at the PG spot, if the Jazz decide they want to play him there.
Please stop. A 13th overall draft pick isnt giving us George Hill's best season of production at any point during his rookie year.
If he plays all 82 plus playoff games he might. It would average out.
I say if he plays all games his total points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals may be close to what we got out of Hill is his 49 games.
He just has to top this.
1544 min - 18.83 mpg
829 pts - 10.11 ppg
167 rbs - 2.04 rpg
204 ast - 2.49 apg
50 stl - 0.61 spg
11 blk - 0.13 bpg
19.4 per might be tough to replicate but that can be deceiving. Both Withey and Bolomboy had a per about that high.
He just has to average just over 10pts per game to get to the point totals Hill gave us. The other per game averages are doable as well. If he misses just a few games he would only need slightly better averages to meet what Hill gave us as to the numbers.
He may not have the leadership, but in what I've seen of him he will make up the veteran type intangibles with drive, fire, and that chip on the shoulder. If Hill played close to the full season, I would say there is no way DM replaces what Hill brought, but that is not the case.
P.S. - I really liked Hill and what he brought to our team, especially when he played with GH and Gobert. Those lineups were fun for me to watch, even if they did not happen enough.
Nah, he won't. Please, just let Mitchell be a rookie. If he is as good as George Hill at 31 in his rookie year he is the clear ROTY and a future GOAT.
^^^ clearly misunderstood the post. Never once said Mitchell rookie will be as good as Hill at 31.
Hill played 49 games. I could see DM provide in 82 what Hill did in 49.
Please read again or for the first time. TIA
He cant. George Hill won the Jazz so many games, even if he didnt play in a ton. He had 6 win shares last year. Unless he is KAT level rookie year, he won't come close to that with a full 82 games.
I get that, Hill was good when on the court. Unfortunately Hill was on the court about half the time. How many games did we also lose that we may have won if he was on the court though? I would take someone there 78-82 games over someone there that showed how good they were but were not on the court when we really needed him. I'm saying what DM can bring if he plays most of the year could cover in total numbers what Hill brought in half the time. I'd agree, probably not the win shares. I'm thinking an adequate replacement for what was lost, not complete replacement.
I get Hill was really good and his being on the court helped win us some games. I will miss that. Again, he was really good, and a favorite of mine.
Unfortunately the injuries soured me a bit on him a bit, not because of lack of fire, skills, leadership, or as a person. Just that he wasn't there when we needed him.
I think DM could get us 2-4 win shares if he plays really well. If he can score a bit, and if he plays good defense. If he doesn't play as well as we hope, 1-2.
On a side note, I find it interesting that only the Warriors and Spurs had more Defensive win shares than the Jazz. The Jazz had more defensive win shares than offensive and we had individual players with negative offensive win shares, but none with negative defensive win shares.
We will miss Jeff Withey who played the 3rd least minutes, yet had the 2nd most Win shares per 48 and an 18.8 per.
Also of note is that Gobert had a higher offensive win share than defensive win share, was 2nd over all in win share, tops in defensive win share, and 10th in offensive win share.
A non Jazz not on this, how does Harden get the highest defensive win share on his team with 3.6 for 18th in the league, to go along with his league leading 11.5 offensive win share to get the top spot overall?
George Hill had 5.9 win shares last year despite only playing 49 games. That was 57th in the NBA. Mitchell isnt doing that in 82 games.
Did I say I disagreed with that? You don't seem to be listening. It's all good. Let's move on.
How about I take it a step back for you. DM will do at least one positive thing on the court this coming year.
Can you agree with that?
Defensive win shares is an extremely flawed statistic. It assumes all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, and assumes that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute. This leads to it over-valuing guys that get a decent number of steals but are obviously not good defensively (James Harden). It also undervalues elite rim protectors that allow a low FG% at the rim, but don't have the block numbers to back it up.
I completely agree and think OWS is also flawed.
I have a hard time saying any stat will tell us what we need/want to know... but they do tell us something and give us some sort of trajectory.
It's the most useful stat to explain what you were trying to get at: That Mitchell's overall production will equal that of George Hill's. Sure win shares might leave out some of the more advanced metrics and intagibles, but it's a good indicator of how much production a player had.
If you look at Utah's win shares for the team, it's a pretty spot on list of best to worst on the team this past year.
I LOOOOVE advanced analytics but defense is tough to quantify.
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Over the course of an entire season, you'd have to be very lucky for your team to always post better numbers with you on the floor than with you off the floor by accident.
Nah. People will call him a bust, but this dude is the real deal.
The only guy I've believed in more is Rudy.