http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...avaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba
The Celtics were concerned about trading for a guy like George or Butler at least partially out of fear of not landing Hayward.
For People Who Think Hayward's Decision was Predetermined
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...avaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba
The Celtics were concerned about trading for a guy like George or Butler at least partially out of fear of not landing Hayward.
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Yeah. . . still don't buy it. Everybody knew that Hayward would talk to Boston and there were a lot of signs that he was going to go reunite with Brad Stevens. Regardless of what Boston's strategy was. It very easily could have been that they thought they'd get whoever they wanted after free agency started. . . but then Indiana and Chicago both made surprising trades leading up to the draft. Boston caught a LOT of flack for missing out on those. Combined with IT's injury and whiffing on yet another big move. . . they might have felt forced to pull the trigger. If they bomb now, you can't say they didn't at least try to upgrade their team.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...avaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba
The Celtics were concerned about trading for a guy like George or Butler at least partially out of fear of not landing Hayward.
Well there it is. Wrap it up everybody we have all the evidence we need.
Douchebag K
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He knew exactly what he was going to do, the "meetings" tour was a farce but most importantly
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Who cares
Butler to me is kind of like a try-hard alpha type. He really tries to put on this persona as a leader to the public and throws teammates/coaches under the bus in the process of doing so.
No idea what he is like off the court.
But if that were true why not trade for Butler or George, both who went for less than Kyrie?
Douchebag K
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Butler can't shoot and they think George wouldn't stay. They seem to believe Kyrie is the piece they've been waiting for. I'm going to be fascinated to see if I've undervalued Kyrie and his potential to lead a winning team
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...avaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba
The Celtics were concerned about trading for a guy like George or Butler at least partially out of fear of not landing Hayward.
i didnt get that at all in the article. It sounded to me like it was aforgone conclusion they were going to get Hayward it was who they were going to pair with him.
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So, celtics are dumb.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...avaliers-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-nba
The Celtics were concerned about trading for a guy like George or Butler at least partially out of fear of not landing Hayward.
Boston didn't trade for George or Butler because doing so before free agency would've made it almost impossible to land Hayward.
If they traded for George or Butler before free agency, they wouldn't have had the cap space to sign Hayward. If they were going to get Hayward and trade for another star, it had to be in the correct order.
I don't think this says anything about whether or not the decision was pre-determined. If anything, it makes it seem more likely, given that Boston was willing to risk losing the opportunity to trade for George or Butler so that they could wait until FA to sign Hayward first.
How can you not get that from the article when the article literally says it? They present other reasons to justify it also.
That's not true about the cap-space thing. They could have easily made the room to trade for George and sign Hayward. They literally say the reason they didnt do it was because they feared not landing Hayward.
"They feared flipping their golden trade chip for the first one (Butler or George), whiffing on the second (Hayward), and ending up having squandered their best asset..."
That's just flat-out wrong, dude.
Just to sign Hayward alone, they already had to salary dump Avery Bradley and forego re-signing several players. Add George's or Butler's ~19.5M to the cap, and even if they salary dump Jae Crowder's 6.7M they STILL would've been almost $13M above where they'd need to be to make room in the cap to sign Hayward.
Even if you want to argue that they would still be willing to do it, the no-brainer approach would still have been to sign Hayward first in FA before making any trade, to save themselves from also having to salary dump Crowder + others.
And they would have done it if they knew 100% Hayward was coming. The risk was too large to do all that and not have 100% knowledge Hayward was coming.
I see it the other way around. If they 100% knew Hayward was coming, then the choice was either wait until FA, sign Hayward, and then make a trade for another big star without having to salary dump more than one of Bradley/Crowder, or make the trade first and have to salary dump BOTH Bradley and Crowder along with having to clear an additional $13M in cap space.
Why the hell would anybody choose the latter option? The only reason it would've made sense to trade for Butler or George first is if they weren't sure whether or not they would get Hayward.
conclusion - **** haywood
vegas
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Haywood dumb for wanting Boston. Boston dumb for getting Kyrie over PG or esp. Butler and selling the farm in the process. Match made in heaven.
Right now I'm looking forward to the season. Lots of cool Jazz story lines to unfold.
He was leaning Boston all the way. I doubt he had his mind completely set, but I think he wanted to go there obviously.
The meeting in San Diego was "awkward". Of course it was. He was not a leader, and his former teammates felt that he was already gone.
The meeting in San Diego was "awkward". Of course it was. He was not a leader, and his former teammates felt that he was already gone.