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Irma bottomed out at 914mb.

Yeah Irma was very large in area but not as powerful as some of the stronger storms once it made landfall. Thank goodness. If it had hit at full category 5 power with the size it was the devastation would have been staggering.
 
Yeah the dollar amount of the damage is not a good measure of the severity when comparing to other storms. Back in the 20's when they had some pretty severe storms a total of like 60 or 70k people lived in the Tampa metro area, now it is over 3 million with the requisite infrastructure and buildings. Even adjusted for inflation you just cannot really compare on a dollar basis. Really the same applies to flood waters when the land area covered by impermeable surface material increased dramatically setting up conditions for flood waters to accumulate far more than when the concrete/asphalt areas were much smaller.

i heard it on cnn, i am styaing at my moms house. and she has been watching cnn religously for years. so i overheard the spinning of it being a top 5 worse storm economically and muh climate change narrative being spun.

also hear dit on bloomberg! bloomberg went more indepth saying at first the damage was being prophecyd to be 200 billion but now it is somewhere between 10 and 40 something billion.


if i am wrong and man is responsible for a significant part of climate change, do not spin this ****, because i get more skeptical!
 
lol what will we say in 2400 about the stat of science in 2020!

also irma wasnt so bad.

i heard cnn calling it the strongest ever! near apocalyptic!

it was EPIC!



investors ran awya from insurance companies and banks.

now that irma passed like a fart in the wind. not being nowhere near apocalyptic, stocks are skyrocketing!


so yeah cnn saying a storm is near apocalyptic supported their climate change agenda!!

OK, I guess I'm done trying to talk to you about this. Three strikes and you're out, I guess. For the third time you haven't answered my question of how you inform yourself, e.g. how you decide what science you believe and what science you do not.
 
OK, I guess I'm done trying to talk to you about this. Three strikes and you're out, I guess. For the third time you haven't answered my question of how you inform yourself, e.g. how you decide what science you believe and what science you do not.

Babe already explained how his 55% majority thinks. Whatever the hell they want. Their "opinion" is based on nothing.
 
OK, I guess I'm done trying to talk to you about this. Three strikes and you're out, I guess. For the third time you haven't answered my question of how you inform yourself, e.g. how you decide what science you believe and what science you do not.

ok bye bye, woudl we atleast make a parting bet,. in 2040 will we meet again on the corner of someplace. to see how climate "science" has progressed.


take the bet! bro. will it be like right now how we look upon the climate science of the 80's and 90's. or is the science settled and in 2040 it will be the same!

lets bet a left nut.

the loser gets to cut of his left nut put it some sort of cube in preservatives and gift it to the winner as a key chain!
 
Babe already explained how his 55% majority thinks. Whatever the hell they want. Their "opinion" is based on nothing.

listen bro, as long as they use modeling and simulations. it is flawed!

because a model and simulation is on a small scale, and assumes we know all variables.
sadly the climate models and simulation lack a lot of variables!
 
OK, I guess I'm done trying to talk to you about this. Three strikes and you're out, I guess. For the third time you haven't answered my question of how you inform yourself, e.g. how you decide what science you believe and what science you do not.

You gave a troll 3 strikes?
 
With all due respect, which may not be much respect, my own thesis differs from Boris' in one fact. I am speaking of "Science" being the nutjob political hacks who are creating their own "truth", to the extent of deliberately ignoring many truly significant factors in "climate" such as the total heat content of our oceans in relation to the much smaller heat content of our atmosphere, as they spin their yarns for their politically-motivated power brokers in the grant-funding agencies of government.

Most people look at the climate change "crisis" with some justified disbelief when it is hijacked by political hacks to justify the carbon tax proposals which will have severe economic impacts on the US, on our lives, while requiring virtually nothing from China and India. In fact, the proposal does not effectively address the "problem" if it were really "the problem".

"the problem" is how to redistribute wealth worldwide to achieve more social justice across the globe, and how to cememt political power in the hands of fascists. I mean "fascists" as the general club of top interests who have the best lobbying access to governments across the globe, corporate cartelists who have found it profitable to have governments endorse their interests while more severely hamstringing smaller competitors.

I don't quibble at 1.8F or whatever the data really is. I believe we are still within "normal" for interglacial warm periods, which may in fact carry a feedback sort of mechanism for starting a new ice age..... warmer oceans.... not just surfaces but at depth.

warmer oceans may also contribute to the CO2 rise in a shorter time span, as warming oceans could expel significant amounts of dissolved CO2.

And those warmer oceans supply the water vapors needed to increase snow over sub-arctic areas most susceptible to the formation of great ice sheets, like the Hudson Bay/Great Lakes area.

depletion of glacial ice would logically lead to a point in time where there will be less arctic or antartic net melting, maybe enough to affect temps in the deep ocean, which are generally thought to be something close to 4C, the temp at which water is most dense. At any rate, it may be more important to look at heat flux from the earth's core in assessing deep sea temps. Or, maybe, the "solar wind" or deep space debris fields we are encountering as we move along around our little galaxy....

But who the hell wants all that information when we have chump science professionals who will just make up the science we need to panic mankind into the desired political course.

Nope, when I read "Science" publications, even peer-reviewed publications, I never quit asking obvious questions.

Nobody should. I'm proud of the human race for having the guts to dispute "established science".

With all due respect, which is not much respect, you are a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

"The Dunning-Kruger effect (also Mount Stupid[1] or Smug Snake[2]), named after David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University, occurs where people fail to adequately assess their level of competence — or specifically, their incompetence — at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. This lack of awareness is attributed to their lower level of competence robbing them of the ability to critically analyse their performance, leading to a significant overestimation of themselves.

In simple words it's "people who are too stupid to know how stupid they are".

And the Earth is not heading into an ice age...

https://www.skepticalscience.com/heading-into-new-little-ice-age-intermediate.htm

But, you know better, because you're way too stupid to realize just how stupid you are. The same sorry condition holds true for your soul brothers Boris and Dutchlazzer. All way too stupid to know how stupid you actually are....
 
The first post asked that question sarcastically. But that's neither here nor there. I was annoyed that you're giving a fake poster so much attention, but I probably shouldn't have singled you out. Nonetheless, Boris is a fake poster, and not simply a troll. He started posting a couple of years ago as a Russian (thus the name Boris), with a fake Russian accent and all, and a thorough knowledge of every poster on this forum. He then changed his character a few times. I think he's a black kid from Baltimore now or something? I've had him on ignore for a while, so I'm not sure.

You can do whatever you wish. Maybe you think there's value to what you're saying even if the person you're arguing with is insincere. But you should know that he IS insincere. He is wasting your time on purpose for his personal entertainment.

BTW, yes, I know the OP asked the question that climate change had no role in Hurricane Harvey in a sarcastic tone. But, it was clearly meant to initiate debate on the subject. So my original observation was correct. There was bound to be comments from the anti human caused global warming crowd. I'll take your word regarding Boris being a troll, but, at the same time, like many who in the current era who reject authority in many fields, not just climate science, Boris, Dutch, and babe are all examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. They are all basically too stupid to realize how stupid they really are. If the subject were brain surgery, each of them would be claiming they could perform brain surgery as well as a surgeon because they had each read a book on anatomy....
 
OK, I guess I'm done trying to talk to you about this. Three strikes and you're out, I guess. For the third time you haven't answered my question of how you inform yourself, e.g. how you decide what science you believe and what science you do not.

He can't answer your question. John Cleese explains;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

As explained above, Dutchjazzer and babe suffer from this very same condition. They are all highly trained climate scientists. In their own minds. They're all legends in their own minds...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
 
Man. I've gone like pages now just seeing ignored post after ignored post. Let me guess, Dutch, Boris, and babe went full meltdown and decided to caca all over this thread.
 
But, you know better, because you're way too stupid to realize just how stupid you are. The same sorry condition holds true for your soul brothers Boris and Dutchlazzer. All way too stupid to know how stupid you actually are....


put your nut where your mout is then!

if settled science of today, is unsettled in 2040 you amputate your nut and hand it over to me!


if the science stays settled i will do the same!
 
He can't answer your question. John Cleese explains;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

As explained above, Dutchjazzer and babe suffer from this very same condition. They are all highly trained climate scientists. In their own minds. They're all legends in their own minds...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect


taking psychological advise from a actor is like getting medical advise from a hooker.

those people are meant to entertain us!


why is the left looking up to these dancing monkeys, who are their just to be dancing monkeys and entertain us!
yet we think they are some enlightened souls and we should listen to them.

celebrities are just famous dancing monkeys, they dance for you, you throw them some coin!
 
Ive read like 5 posts in this thread. I take it the discussion has fallen apart into climate denial hearsay?
 
Ive read like 5 posts in this thread. I take it the discussion has fallen apart into climate denial hearsay?

The signal to noise ratio in Jazzfanz GD is terrible. There is no intelligent discussion to be had.

Sad.
[MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION], [MENTION=14]colton[/MENTION] this is a legit problem and one that can be fixed. It's up to you guys if you want to let this once vibrant forum die or not.
 
The signal to noise ratio in Jazzfanz GD is terrible. There is no intelligent discussion to be had.

Sad.
[MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION], [MENTION=14]colton[/MENTION] this is a legit problem and one that can be fixed. It's up to you guys if you want to let this once vibrant forum die or not.

If you think GD is bad try reading the Jazz forum. The amount of stupidity there has always been overwhelmingly unbearable. But hey, let [MENTION=3123]Cappy_Smurf[/MENTION] and his brand of retard be the typical fan while all reasonable discourse fall to the wayside. That's what fans do. And nobody should be a fan other than the way he is. That's it!

Personally, I'd rather read the rantings of thought provokers like Dutch, Boris, and Babe than the **** heaping of stuff like Red provides, or the cryings of those who want content to read but don't want to provide any, or the hipster group think of the day circle jerk. TBH, I read Red and all the links that poster puts up as an exercise in mental exhaustion. I seriously cannot understand how anyone can read and listen to so much of that kind of trash. I can only compare it to listening to Alex Jones 24/7 or reading comments on Zero Hedge.



With all due respect, which is not much respect, you are a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

"The Dunning-Kruger effect (also Mount Stupid[1] or Smug Snake[2]), named after David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University, occurs where people fail to adequately assess their level of competence — or specifically, their incompetence — at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. This lack of awareness is attributed to their lower level of competence robbing them of the ability to critically analyse their performance, leading to a significant overestimation of themselves.

In simple words it's "people who are too stupid to know how stupid they are".

And the Earth is not heading into an ice age...

https://www.skepticalscience.com/heading-into-new-little-ice-age-intermediate.htm

But, you know better, because you're way too stupid to realize just how stupid you are. The same sorry condition holds true for your soul brothers Boris and Dutchlazzer. All way too stupid to know how stupid you actually are....


You're an *******.
 
If you think GD is bad try reading the Jazz forum. The amount of stupidity there has always been overwhelmingly unbearable. But hey, let [MENTION=3123]Cappy_Smurf[/MENTION] and his brand of retard be the typical fan while all reasonable discourse fall to the wayside. That's what fans do. And nobody should be a fan other than the way he is. That's it!

Personally, I'd rather read the rantings of thought provokers like Dutch, Boris, and Babe than the **** heaping of stuff like Red provides, or the cryings of those who want content to read but don't want to provide any, or the hipster group think of the day circle jerk. TBH, I read Red and all the links that poster puts up as an exercise in mental exhaustion. I seriously cannot understand how anyone can read and listen to so much of that kind of trash. I can only compare it to listening to Alex Jones 24/7 or reading comments on Zero Hedge.

Their lack of civility and the basic give and take that is essential for discussion are my biggest complaints. They simply try to yell louder.

There is never a "yeah, I was wrong about that, but I still think in general X is true." It's all neener-neener followed by the popular responses of the day, #fakenews, #nothingburger, #blahblahblah.

They are not providing thought provoking ideas and they certainly are not doing it in a way intended to create dialogue. They are regurgitating right wing spin. They are all output and no input. They don't want to hear what anyone else is saying. They just want to make noise.
 
Their lack of civility and the basic give and take that is essential for discussion are my biggest complaints. They simply try to yell louder.

There is never a "yeah, I was wrong about that, but I still think in general X is true." It's all neener-neener followed by the popular responses of the day, #fakenews, #nothingburger, #blahblahblah.

They are not providing thought provoking ideas and they certainly are not doing it in a way intended to create dialogue. They are regurgitating right wing spin. They are all output and no input. They don't want to hear what anyone else is saying. They just want to make noise.

I disagree. This forum has always been about the trolls firing out ******** and at the same time being thought provoking.

At the end of the day, this forum has been slowly dying for a long time. There are a few hangers on, but at the end of the day, most main posters have left en masse.
 
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