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silesian said:
I'd respectfully disagree. Perimeter length can be very disruptive to an offense, not only with steals and deflections, but also with the passes it prevents.

If you are AI, IT or Nash, you have very quick feet and quick hands, but some of the worse defenders. Mostly because of their size.

Steals are a poor proxy for overall defensive effectiveness. You can gamble and get steals and often get burned being out of position. It's the guys who get steals while maintaining good fundamentals and taking smart (not reckless) risks, who are the best perimeter defenders.
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Sigh, no I'm going to have to spend a half an hour watching Donovan Mitchell Summer League Highlights. I have things to do, dangit!
 
silesian said:
I'd respectfully disagree. Perimeter length can be very disruptive to an offense, not only with steals and deflections, but also with the passes it prevents.

If you are AI, IT or Nash, you have very quick feet and quick hands, but some of the worse defenders. Mostly because of their size.

Steals are a poor proxy for overall defensive effectiveness. You can gamble and get steals and often get burned being out of position. It's the guys who get steals while maintaining good fundamentals and taking smart (not reckless) risks, who are the best perimeter defenders.
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Agree with all of this. From my experience playing I love guys that gamble for steals... they get you every now and again but 9/10 they end up out of position. Guys that are disciplined make things much harder.

Perimeter length makes ball handlers uncomfortable and uses up portions of passing lanes... makes everything harder. Length on the perimeter is very important.
 
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The David Locke podcast left me a little worried about Favors. From the off-season posts, I was hoping Favors was pain free and back to his old self. It sounds like there are still movement issues that the new training staff are working on with Favors.
 
My number 1 question for the upcoming season is how will Favors fit in the Jazz offense and spacing?

Second is how healthy will favors be?

These are big questions going into the one of the biggest off season in recent memory.
 
Favors working on the three ball seems like it has been mentioned before as a camp story... I mean shooting 40% on long twos is good and achievable for favs (I think he's been that good or better in the past)... could he shoot 33% from three... I figured it would be a little more open.

So we buying Favs shooting threes?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Favors working on the three ball seems like it has been mentioned before as a camp story... I mean shooting 40% on long twos is good and achievable for favs (I think he's been that good or better in the past)... could he shoot 33% from three... I figured it would be a little more open.

So we buying Favs shooting threes?
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I'm not.
Plus his inability to put the ball on the floor and drive on guys closing out makes his three ball easier to defend and less dangerous for the opponent.
 
Favs hitting threes is always a camp story because it would make him amazing next to Rudy. I don't think he'll ever be a "stretch 4" and it's up to Quin to make the pairing of him and Rudy work on offense.

He has a lot of skills and before the explosion of the 3-pointer teams found a way to score without stretching the floor. Maybe the game has just changed too much, but I still believe in the Wasatch Front.
 
All he has to do is hit 35% on 1.3-1.5 wide open attempts per game. He just needs to be able to have the defense not leave him open and it will serve its function -- not that we're actually relying on his shooting. I think he'll do that.
 
JazzMan4Life said:
Favs hitting threes is always a camp story because it would make him amazing next to Rudy. I don't think he'll ever be a "stretch 4" and it's up to Quin to make the pairing of him and Rudy work on offense.

He has a lot of skills and before the explosion of the 3-pointer teams found a way to score without stretching the floor. Maybe the game has just changed too much, but I still believe in the Wasatch Front.
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It was really only a story last year and the whole injury stuff happened so it kind of nipped that in the butt.
 
infection said:
All he has to do is hit 35% on 1.3-1.5 wide open attempts per game. He just needs to be able to have the defense not leave him open and it will serve its function -- not that we're actually relying on his shooting. I think he'll do that.
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even if he just does that, that's huge. That combined with the crushing defense when they're both on the court would mean we're tonnes better than expected.
 
Favors shooting 3's. Meh. He can't even shoot from mid range reliably.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
Favors working on the three ball seems like it has been mentioned before as a camp story... I mean shooting 40% on long twos is good and achievable for favs (I think he's been that good or better in the past)... could he shoot 33% from three... I figured it would be a little more open.

So we buying Favs shooting threes?
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he just needs to hit some corner 3s
 
Crocodile Dante said:
he just needs to hit some corner 3s
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I don't want him standing in the corner. Corners need to be open for the corner three bombers to flare out to.

He has shot 33-35% from 16ft to the three point line the last few years. I just think having him set the screen higher and shoot the three is a better use. Even if he shot 25% it would be better on a point per shot basis. If he flared out to the three point line a couple times a game I think it might provide some extra space for him to roll.

Probably a pipe dream to have him hit 35%, but I would support him taking 2-3 a night for a little while and see if he can get comfortable with it. Wouldn't be real happy if it was in the beginning of the shot clock I'd be a little upset but it isn't like our offense is going to be super amazing this year.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm not.
Plus his inability to put the ball on the floor and drive on guys closing out makes his three ball easier to defend and less dangerous for the opponent.
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If guys are closing out to him at the three point line I feel like it was effective. I don't want him bombing out there... just stretching the defense enough for our primary actions to be effective.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If guys are closing out to him at the three point line I feel like it was effective. I don't want him bombing out there... just stretching the defense enough for our primary actions to be effective.
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Exactly. Him having a three point shot isn't about having that as a scoring option or about improving our perimeter shooting -- it would have a negligible effect on either -- but rather about what it facilitates.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree with all of this. From my experience playing I love guys that gamble for steals... they get you every now and again but 9/10 they end up out of position. Guys that are disciplined make things much harder.

Perimeter length makes ball handlers uncomfortable and uses up portions of passing lanes... makes everything harder. Length on the perimeter is very important.
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I think the main responsibility of a perimeter defender is staying between his man and the basket, which also means not losing him on screams. Thus, he has to be athletic (or at least "mobile") and have great defensive awareness. If, besides those qualities, he also happens to have a long WINGSPAN, that's a bonus which may allow him to ALSO disrupt passes and get some steals. The interior defender job, I think, is very different: he doesn't have to run around as much, since to stay between his man and the basket means covering less ground, but he is asked to challenge shots much more often than a perimeter defender. A perimeter defender can make half-hearted attempts to block shots since he is not expected to really block them - as he is usually somewhat far from his man. The inside defender, on the other hand, HAS TO chalenge most shots because close shots are easy to make. His main job is to protect the rim, to chalenge anyone attempting from close range. That means his STANDING REACH plays a bigger part on his effectiveness as a defender than the WINGSPAN plays on the perimeter defender effectiveness. In other words: it is very hard for a short-armed player to be a very good interior defender, whilst is a lot less problematic to a perimeter player to have short arms.
 
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