Trump vs Pro Athletes

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trump succeeded at taking the whole knee thing and turning it into a team unity thing rather than a racial injustice protest.

He is an evil genius.

 

[DutchJazzer]

lol, i think "police on black violence" is solved

 

[Rubashov]

He sat because his interpretation of his religious beliefs brought him to the conclusion that standing for the national anthem was offensive to Allah.

This is a completely different set of circumstances. Today Abdul-Rauf would get black-balled and then have that followed up with some visits from the DHS.

Suppose what i'm getting at is do Americans feel the same way they used to about America? Is the idea of America and its symbols still as powerful and relevant to Americans as it was 20 years ago?

 

[Rubashov]

Trump succeeded at taking the whole knee thing and turning it into a team unity thing rather than a racial injustice protest.

He is an evil genius.

Don't call that man a genius.

 

[Ron Mexico]

yet i get called a troll while ron mexico is clearly trolling!

Since when is agreeing with you and repeating what you are saying trolling? You say all lives matter and everyone should be treated equal regardless if their race. That is the black lives matter message. You are repeating their message and I appreciate that. Thanks buddy.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Since when is agreeing with you and repeating what you are saying trolling? You say all lives matter and everyone should be treated equal regardless if their race. That is the black lives matter message. You are repeating their message and I appreciate that. Thanks buddy.

no bblack lives matter puts blacks killed by cops or white higher on the agenda then the thousands killed yearly by black on black crime.

they prioritize identity politics!

all we hear about is muh racism and cops kill blacks! meanwhile they ignore the majority of the blacks killed!


**** blacklivesmatter

 

[Ron Mexico]

no bblack lives matter puts blacks killed by cops or white higher on the agenda then the thousands killed yearly by black on black crime.

they prioritize identity politics!

all we hear about is muh racism and cops kill blacks! meanwhile they ignore the majority of the blacks killed!


**** blacklivesmatter

Just because they focus on a specific issue that is a problem does not mean other issues are not problems or lesser problems. It isnt a binary situation of either/or.

 

[babe]

the problem with all this is people tend to go to sport to be united!
escape from the world's problem

but now you gotta chose between the cops or the criminal lying black lives matter hands up dont shoot myth!


yes hand's up dont shoot micheal "thug" brown has been disproven.
just take a look at the court case and use all minority eye witnesses!
disregard the coroner support and white witnesses if you will, only go by the black witnes acount and still the conlcuision is michael brown was a thieving thug who attacked a cop!

yet Counterfeit News Network chose a side, instead of remaining nuetral on it!

yeah i am on the side that does not lie to me daily!

so **** black lives matter(the organization, because i think all lives matter)
**** the mainstream media
and **** those players turning beloved sports into a poltical battleground


ofcourse as i say this the players are free to do whatever, and the fans are free to boycot, just like the emmies and oscars are being boycot!
and marvel universe is losing viewership because hyudra agents used donald trumps qoutes. they alienated half their viewers by suggesting donald trump is on the side of hydra while hydra is the ofspring of NAZI which are true left wing!

but remember this is nfl players are not allowed to (excessively) dance in the end zone, or wear different headphones except bose! so the owners/;league can suggest they not do it. this is a bad business decision!

well, aside from the assorted crudities and stick-poking rhetorical jousts, this is pretty much the plain truth.

corporate media is losing the popular credulity of a thoroughly mesmerized, complacent, authority-following American populace. Yes, there is point of diminishing returns in any big media push for any agenda. Where common people start seeing the lies.

 

[babe]

Just because they focus on a specific issue that is a problem does not mean other issues are not problems or lesser problems. It isnt a binary situation of either/or.

I think you're missing the point. The point of the BLM activists, speaking from the point of view of the organization's controllers or leadership, is to manipulate blacks into a serving their "masters" once again, by rioting in the streets while the principles of equal rights and equal protection under the law are actually being destroyed in favor of fascist thug mobbery. I think it's financed by Soros as assisted by Obama, who has imo utilized division along racial lines as a point of leverage for an agenda to increase the effective control of unelected intellectuals, perhaps, but more surely their cartelist corporate financial backers, over American citizens.

If it were really done in a good way, BLM would be ALM, and it would improve people's appreciation for American constitutional precepts, such as innate or inalienable human rights. No need to focus on one group at all.
Today we are all being controlled and managed like slaves.

 

[Zombie]

I think you're missing the point. The point of the BLM activists, speaking from the point of view of the organization's controllers or leadership, is to manipulate blacks into a serving their "masters" once again, by rioting in the streets while the principles of equal rights and equal protection under the law are actually being destroyed in favor of fascist thug mobbery. I think it's financed by Soros as assisted by Obama, who has imo utilized division along racial lines as a point of leverage for an agenda to increase the effective control of unelected intellectuals, perhaps, but more surely their cartelist corporate financial backers, over American citizens.

If it were really done in a good way, BLM would be ALM, and it would improve people's appreciation for American constitutional precepts, such as innate or inalienable human rights. No need to focus on one group at all.
Today we are all being controlled and managed like slaves.

J.F.C.

Sent from my SM-G935V using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think you're missing the point. The point of the BLM activists, speaking from the point of view of the organization's controllers or leadership, is to manipulate blacks into a serving their "masters" once again, by rioting in the streets while the principles of equal rights and equal protection under the law are actually being destroyed in favor of fascist thug mobbery. I think it's financed by Soros as assisted by Obama, who has imo utilized division along racial lines as a point of leverage for an agenda to increase the effective control of unelected intellectuals, perhaps, but more surely their cartelist corporate financial backers, over American citizens.

If it were really done in a good way, BLM would be ALM, and it would improve people's appreciation for American constitutional precepts, such as innate or inalienable human rights. No need to focus on one group at all.
Today we are all being controlled and managed like slaves.

Nah, you are way off on that one. Maybe find a different source for your info on this one, your conspiracy guy you parrot is getting a little too silly. I don't think peaceful protests like taking a knee during the national anthem fit that mold, nor are those NFL players doing it for the money. Plus you got to lay off the crazy Obama conspiracies, his presidency is long over.

Having participated in multiple black lives matter events myself I am not rioting in the streets. Nor is anyone paying me or the message you presented accurate.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Most sold nfl jersey last 2 days

i don't know if the players get a cut of it.
but if he did smart business decision

after all the right are the capitalist. the left are the free loading punk *** socialist who do not believe in capitalism!

to bad he got forced to apologize by his punk *** coach!

 

[candrew]

Enjoy this story while you can.

The massive problems in Puerto Rico will boil over into the front of the news cycle in about 24-48 hours.

 

[Red]

Well, I think I figured out what Trump is doing, and it is dangerous.

He is taking the negative aspects associated with the emotion of nationalism and deliberately confusing it with the positive aspects associated with the emotion of patriotism.

At its heart, patriotism is simply love of country.

Nationalism, on the other hand has often been used by authoritarian leaders to whip up enmity toward the Other. Often, that Other is an outside power or enemy, and a focus there is often a diversionary tactic to remove focus on domestic problems.

But nationalism can also be used to stir up enmity toward fellow citizens, if the leader can label them as unpatriotic, as not loving their country enough. Trump long ago identified one such internal enemy when he stated the mainstream media was "the enemy of the people". Now, by trying to win a battle in the culture wars, via his attack on pro athletes, what he is really trying to do is convince a majority of Americans that the entire Left is unpatriotic, the enrire Left does not love their country enough. Yes, there is an obvious racial element and appeal to white grievance. But, at its heart, I believe this is an effort by Trump to solidify his position as the leader of a nationalistic cult, disguised as patriotism. Basically, this is Tyranny 101. We do have 3 equal branches of government; we do have a free press. But citizens can have the wool pulled over their eyes, and I believe that is what he is attempting here.

He would bring us to the point where any attack on him is unpatriotic.

This is a tactic of an authoritarian.

Consider this observation by Timothy Snyder in his booklet "On Tyranny". (For my money, Snyder is my era's Thomas Paine).

"“The president is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, “although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,” wrote Orwell, tends to be “uninterested in what happens in the real world.” Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism “has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.” A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better. Democracy failed in Europe in the 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s, and it is failing not only in much of Europe but in many parts of the world today. It is that history and experience that reveals to us the dark range of our possible futures. A nationalist will say that “it can’t happen here,” which is the first step toward disaster. A patriot says that it could happen here, but that we will stop it."

― Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

Is this not an effort to bring out the worst in us, disguised as an effort to bring out the best? This is deliberate on Trump's part. He is deliberately dividing Americans. If that is not reprehensible and injurious to the health of our body politic, what is?

 

[candrew]

Well, I think I figured out what Trump is doing, and it is dangerous.

He is taking the negative aspects associated with the emotion of nationalism and deliberately confusing it with the positive aspects associated with the emotion of patriotism.

At its heart, patriotism is simply love of country.

Nationalism, on the other hand has often been used by authoritarian leaders to whip up enmity toward the Other. Often, that Other is an outside power or enemy, and a focus there is often a diversionary tactic to remove focus on domestic problems.

But nationalism can also be used to stir up enmity toward fellow citizens, if the leader can label them as unpatriotic, as not loving their country enough. Trump long ago identified one such internal enemy when he stated the mainstream media was "the enemy of the people". Now, by trying to win a battle in the culture wars, via his attack on pro athletes, what he is really trying to do is convince a majority of Americans that the entire Left is unpatriotic, the enrire Left does not love their country enough. Yes, there is an obvious racial element and appeal to white grievance. But, at its heart, I believe this is an effort by Trump to solidify his position as the leader of a nationalistic cult, disguised as patriotism. Basically, this is Tyranny 101. We do have 3 equal branches of government; we do have a free press. But citizens can have the wool pulled over their eyes, and I believe that is what he is attempting here.

He would bring us to the point where any attack on him is unpatriotic.

This is a tactic of an authoritarian.

Consider this observation by Timothy Snyder in his booklet "On Tyranny". (For my money, Snyder is my era's Thomas Paine).

"“The president is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, “although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,” wrote Orwell, tends to be “uninterested in what happens in the real world.” Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism “has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.” A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better. Democracy failed in Europe in the 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s, and it is failing not only in much of Europe but in many parts of the world today. It is that history and experience that reveals to us the dark range of our possible futures. A nationalist will say that “it can’t happen here,” which is the first step toward disaster. A patriot says that it could happen here, but that we will stop it."

― Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

Is this not an effort to bring out the worst in us, disguised as an effort to bring out the best? This is deliberate on Trump's part. He is deliberately dividing Americans. If that is not reprehensible and injurious to the health of our body politic, what is?

I'm not saying I disagree with you; but the far right has been doing this for at least the last 50 years now - definitely since LBJ vs. Barry Goldwater. Culturally, economically...you name it.

Trump just happens to be the most brazen at it.

 

[Red]

Well, I think I figured out what Trump is doing, and it is dangerous.

He is taking the negative aspects associated with the emotion of nationalism and deliberately confusing it with the positive aspects associated with the emotion of patriotism.

At its heart, patriotism is simply love of country.

Nationalism, on the other hand has often been used by authoritarian leaders to whip up enmity toward the Other. Often, that Other is an outside power or enemy, and a focus there is often a diversionary tactic to remove focus on domestic problems.

But nationalism can also be used to stir up enmity toward fellow citizens, if the leader can label them as unpatriotic, as not loving their country enough. Trump long ago identified one such internal enemy when he stated the mainstream media was "the enemy of the people". Now, by trying to win a battle in the culture wars, via his attack on pro athletes, what he is really trying to do is convince a majority of Americans that the entire Left is unpatriotic, the enrire Left does not love their country enough. Yes, there is an obvious racial element and appeal to white grievance. But, at its heart, I believe this is an effort by Trump to solidify his position as the leader of a nationalistic cult, disguised as patriotism. Basically, this is Tyranny 101. We do have 3 equal branches of government; we do have a free press. But citizens can have the wool pulled over their eyes, and I believe that is what he is attempting here.

He would bring us to the point where any attack on him is unpatriotic.

This is a tactic of an authoritarian.

Consider this observation by Timothy Snyder in his booklet "On Tyranny". (For my money, Snyder is my era's Thomas Paine).

"“The president is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, “although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,” wrote Orwell, tends to be “uninterested in what happens in the real world.” Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism “has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.” A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better. Democracy failed in Europe in the 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s, and it is failing not only in much of Europe but in many parts of the world today. It is that history and experience that reveals to us the dark range of our possible futures. A nationalist will say that “it can’t happen here,” which is the first step toward disaster. A patriot says that it could happen here, but that we will stop it."

― Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

Is this not an effort to bring out the worst in us, disguised as an effort to bring out the best? This is deliberate on Trump's part. He is deliberately dividing Americans. If that is not reprehensible and injurious to the health of our body politic, what is?

I'm not saying I disagree with you; but the far right has been doing this for at least the last 50 years now - definitely since LBJ vs. Barry Goldwater. Culturally, economically...you name it.

Trump just happens to be the most brazen at it.

Yes, and watching Ken Burn's "The Vietnam War" these days is bringing back a lot of memories in that respect.

 

[franklin]

I need to log in before reading so I don't accidentally see the ignore list posters. Unfortunately it's starting to include some otherwise rational posters.

 

[JazzGal]

The NFL's Alejandro Villanueva (former Army Ranger) became a poster boy for a viewpoint he doesn't actually hold. This opinion piece does a good job explaining his press conference, which unfortunately will not be heard nearly as much as his picture was. My favorite part:

What people don't understand is that people who are taking a knee are not saying anything negative about the military. They're not saying anything negative about the flag. They're just trying to protest the fact that there are some injustices in America. And for people to stand up for the national anthem, it doesn't mean that they don't believe in these racial injustices. They're just trying to do the right thing. So we as a team tried to figure it out, obviously butchered it. But I've learned that I don't know what it's like to be from Dade County, I don't know what it's like to be from Lakeland. I can't tell you that I know what my teammates have gone through, so I'm not going to pretend like I have the righteous sort of voice to tell you that you should stand up for the national anthem. It is protected by our constitution and by our country. It's freedom of speech. People felt that based on the comments that the president made, that they had to go out and protect and support Colin Kaepernick. And that's completely in their right, but it's not something we were trying to do with the Steelers. We were trying to be unified, and unfortunately, I made the team look sort of all over the place and not unified.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/in-the-end-alejandro-villanueva%e2%80%99s-beliefs-were-more-complicated-than-many-wanted-to-hear/ar-AAsuovL?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah I think this entire thing is so blown out of proportion it isn't funny. Take a knee, don't take a knee. People all over the place do different and stupid things in these circumstances. To make some judgement about a person's character based on whether they do what you think they should during a song sung before a bunch of grown men play a child's game is absurd in the extreme. I was once at a Jazz game and the guy next to me, during the anthem had his hat off his head, his hand on his heart, and kept saying things like "**** the military, get out of Afghanistan" loud enough that several around him could hear him. So he did all the right things right? Didn't kneel or anythig. but he was still an ******* (proved it even more during the game). It is all stupid.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Enjoy this story while you can.

The massive problems in Puerto Rico will boil over into the front of the news cycle in about 24-48 hours.

the problem that it became the biggest story is ridicyulous trump jsut said what his base is thinking during a campaign speech for a special elction.

btw all special elections so far the repubs won!


5-0 i think, 5-0 if i am correct but something like that