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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

JustTheTip said:
A civil war over gun rights is not equatable to a civil war over slavery.
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Frankly this whole "it'll be a CIVIL war" nonsense is ****ing non sense. Quit daydreaming, a state militia could immobilize any ****ing guerrilla group that tried arming and firing on people who disagreed with them. And it wouldn't go that far anyways-- this is just a scare tactic to paralyze progress. I don't have patience for that. I don't give a **** if I'm hurting some dudes feelings just because he *********** to the thought of firearms
 
The gorilla in the room is the mental health crisis in America really. I mean we still don't know much about this guy but in most other cases it has been disturbed individuals, often people who were at one point and probably still should have been under a psychiatrist's care. We really need better dialogue around how to deal with our crappy mental health system if we truly want to make inroads into stopping these kinds of events.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The gorilla in the room is the mental health crisis in America really. I mean we still don't know much about this guy but in most other cases it has been disturbed individuals, often people who were at one point and probably still should have been under a psychiatrist's care. We really need better dialogue around how to deal with our crappy mental health system if we truly want to make inroads into stopping these kinds of events.
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I agree, we need better metal health care and less negative stigmas towards people with mental issues.
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His dad was a bank robber on the FBI's most wanted list in the 70s when he escaped prison. He was listed as psychotic. Mental health issues can be hereditary.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Civil war is impossible. The military is too strong.

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I don't know a ton of active or ex-military personnel but the ones I have known all have guns and most have a Charlton Heston pry it from my cold dead hands attitude. These dudes will not be willing to shoot their neighbors in order to take their guns from them. If States were to split into factions it seems likely the military would as well. It's probably fanciful thinking to imagine the military remaining unified in such a scenario. Our military capability is so powerful that you're probably right that there wouldn't be civil war. Either some compromise would be reached or the country would split in two with nobody willing to enforce national unity(much too high a cost).
 
Ron Mexico said:
They are still easy to purchase despite the laws. It's easy to convert semi into autos that needs to be shut down. They are being used in mass shooting so they are still a problem. We also need background checks to be enforced that are not or easy to get around. As well as other laws. There is a pretty direct correlation between number of guns owned and mass shootings by country and by States within the country that has by far the most mass shootings.
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Easy?

You have almost a year of waiting from clearance from the ATF (that entails a full federal background check that they take quite seriously), and that's just for a license. Then you're spending a minimum of 5 figures for a rifle. I think including this, they've been used in a mass shooting 3 times.
 
♪alt13 said:
I don't know a ton of active or ex-military personnel but the ones I have known all have guns and most have a Charlton Heston pry it from my cold dead hands attitude. These dudes will not be willing to shoot their neighbors in order to take their guns from them. If States were to split into factions it seems likely the military would as well. It's probably fanciful thinking to imagine the military remaining unified in such a scenario. Our military capability is so powerful that you're probably right that there wouldn't be civil war. Either some compromise would be reached or the country would split in two with nobody willing to enforce national unity(much too high a cost).
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No, it wouldn't. The military is united under the interest of big oil and the federal government.

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dalamon said:
Frankly this whole "it'll be a CIVIL war" nonsense is ****ing non sense. Quit daydreaming, a state militia could immobilize any ****ing guerrilla group that tried arming and firing on people who disagreed with them. And it wouldn't go that far anyways-- this is just a scare tactic to paralyze progress. I don't have patience for that. I don't give a **** if I'm hurting some dudes feelings just because he *********** to the thought of firearms
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Dala, who do you think the military is made of?

I can assure you, it is not full of people who share a viewpoint like yours. They're not just going to go out and attack their families because of a new law. Get real.

I understand you're somewhat ignorant towards the gun culture here, but trust me when I say that these are people who won't go out without a fight. I don't agree with them at all, but this is just how it is. I think we need to explore other options.
 
JustTheTip said:
Easy?

You have almost a year of waiting from clearance from the ATF (that entails a full federal background check that they take quite seriously), and that's just for a license. Then you're spending a minimum of 5 figures for a rifle. I think including this, they've been used in a mass shooting 3 times.
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I've never owned a gun, and know nothing about automatic weapons. But, from what I read here, a semi automatic can be converted to fully automatic. Also, I've read that the shooter was a millionaire, so he could likely afford a pre 1986 automatic weapon, and Nevada has less restrictions then many other states:

https://www.wired.com/story/las-vegas-shooting-automatic-rifle/
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
Has anyone seen the video of where it looks like shots being fired from the 4th floor of Mandalay Bay? I think it looks like reflections, but you know there are going to be some crazy conspiracies with this.
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I've seen a few conspiracies popping up on Facebook. Crazy stuff.

Until the extremes on both sides calm down every time one of these tragedies occur, we will never been able to have any meaningful discussion about gun violence.
 
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