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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

Bulletproof said:
I don't want to get into the ever-shifting, ever-adapting arguments in favor of the conspiracy theories, but I'll say this.

4 aircraft took off and never landed. These aircraft were full of real people, all of whom have families, co-workers, friends, acquaintances. All of whom purchased tickets went through airport security and boarded their aircraft. These aircraft were staffed by real pilots, stewards/stewardesses. They were assisted by real luggage handlers, air-traffic controllers, etc. These were normal flights that flew the same route every day. Had there been no such flights that day someone would have noticed, someone would have asked why.

There would literally have to be several thousand people who know something didn't happen that should have happened, and several thousand who would know that something happened that should not have happened. People who couldn't all possibly have an interest in keeping secret the truth.

Those planes took off. One hit WTC 1, one hit WTC 2, one hit the Pentagon and another crashed into a field. The magnitude of faking those flights is so incredibly enormous as to be completely inconceivable. The only way to believe those flights were not real is to create a fantasy in which they are not real and then convince yourself that fantasy is reality. That's exactly what way too many people have done.

It is absolutely ****ing sad. I'm so done with the madness of it.
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All I'm saying is there are lots of things that don't add up too.
 
I think this guy is radicalized by the "punch a nazi" movement and the left wing anti trump media. the moment cnn wrote drivel about motive does not matter!
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
Tell me you believe an airplane hit the Pentagon. 9/11 doesn't add up at all.

People aren't just eager to wrap their heads in tin-foil and believe every conspiracy (I mean, some do, but not all.) There are a lot of conspiracy theories because there are many reasons to be skeptical and doubt the information given - JFK, the moon landing, 9/11, etc.
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Bulletproof said:
I have looked at the allegations that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. I've had long conversations about it with people who believe it wasn't a plane. Their evidence is not impressive. The convoluted reason to pretend a plane hit the pentagon when it was not a plane, the whole conspiracy story doesn't make any sense.

These conspiracy theories have been debunked. You believe in them because you want to believe in them, not because there is substantial consistent evidence to support them, not because there is a more logical explanation. I'm so tired of listening to people spew nonsense. It is old, really, really old.
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

Pretty in-depth analysis, with citations, as per usual for snopes.
 
I hadn't seen this posted in this thread.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/10/10/shooter-shot-guard-fired-concert-goers/

AS VEGAS (AP) — Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the Las Vegas mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concert-goers.

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo had previously said the guard was shot after gunman Stephen Paddock fired at the country music festival and that the guard’s arrival in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay hotel may have caused Paddock to stop firing.

It was not immediately clear why the timeline of the shooting changed a week later and what the impact could be on the investigation.

On Monday, Lombardo said security guard Jesus Campos was in a hallway of the Mandalay Bay hotel responding to a report of an open door when he heard drilling from Stephen Craig Paddock’s room.

Paddock, who had installed three cameras to monitor the approach to his suite, opened fire through the door, spraying 200 shots down the hall and wounding the guard, who alerted other security officials, Lombardo said.

A few minutes later, Paddock began raining down bullets for 10 minutes in an attack that killed 58 people — the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, Lombardo said.
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Ron Mexico said:
Please explain, preferably with good sources for your claim.
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why bother!

they twist their conclusion depending on which side of the political spectrum the person is. their was a list of point showing the same tat. smae thing different conclusion because different guy

does not matter anymore, facebook has anointed them to official arbitrator when it comes to fake news
 
I've always felt the modern era of conspiracy thinking started with The JFK assassination, though some might start that era with the belief that FDR knew Pearl Harbour was coming, and kept it under wraps.

Anyway, since I'm nothing if not overly rational, I've always been turned off by the irrationality inherent in much of conspiracy thinking. That said, while there may not have been a second shooter in Dealy Plaza, I do believe Oswald was not alone. In other words, there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. But, there are few other of the modern conspiracy theories that I pay any heed to, and I long ago began calling this day and age the age of conspiracy theories.

And I do like a quote from one of the servicemen in Ken Burn's recent documentary on the Vietnam War: "We were probably the last generation to believe our government would never lie to us". Yep, I'd say he hit that nail on the head. Vietnam, followed by Watergate, changed America's perception of America and its government in pretty fundamental ways. JMHO.
 
DutchJazzer said:
why bother!

they twist their conclusion depending on which side of the political spectrum the person is. their was a list of point showing the same tat. smae thing different conclusion because different guy

does not matter anymore, facebook has anointed them to official arbitrator when it comes to fake news
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So you dont have any evidence? I would love to read about information that shows problems with their reports. What is your basis for claiming they "twist their conclusion..."

Unless its a baseless claim and you cant back it up.
 
Red said:
I've always felt the modern era of conspiracy thinking started with The JFK assassination, though some might start that era with the belief that FDR knew Pearl Harbour was coming, and kept it under wraps.

Anyway, since I'm nothing if not overly rational, I've always been turned off by the irrationality inherent in much of conspiracy thinking. That said, while there may not have been a second shooter in Dealy Plaza, I do believe Oswald was not alone. In other words, there was a conspiracy to kill JFK. But, there are few other of the modern conspiracy theories that I pay any heed to, and I long ago began calling this day and age the age of conspiracy theories.

And I do like a quote from one of the servicemen in Ken Burn's recent documentary on the Vietnam War: "We were probably the last generation to believe our government would never lie to us". Yep, I'd say he hit that nail on the head. Vietnam, followed by Watergate, changed America's perception of America and its government in pretty fundamental ways. JMHO.
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And I certainly don't reject the idea that there are conspiracies in the world.

9/11 for instance, could have been directed by unknown or as yet unidentified organizations. But Those planes DID take off, they did hit the things we all know they hit and the Towers fell because they were hit by those planes. There's still plenty of room to discuss conspiracy within the actual reality of what happened. Just as you mention with JFK and Oswald. Oswald shot JFK, that doesn't mean that without a doubt he acted completely independently.

Where I do get annoyed is when people use the unknown to claim actual knowledge of things they have no possible way of having actual knowledge of. That's a certain kind of mental issue that needs to be addressed.
 
[video=youtube_share;JTJehfQkuyE]https://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE

Watch this video, watch the two clips of the actual impact on the Pentagon (the one from the Pentagon and the other from the hotel) and tell me you're 100% convinced a plane hit it. My step-dad worked at the Pentagon for 20 + years, during 9/11 and he's not.
I believe a plane did take off that day. I still struggle to believe it hit the Pentagon though.
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
[video=youtube_share;JTJehfQkuyE]https://youtu.be/JTJehfQkuyE

Watch this video, watch the two clips of the actual impact on the Pentagon (the one from the Pentagon and the other from the hotel) and tell me you're 100% convinced a plane hit it. My step-dad worked at the Pentagon for 20 + years, during 9/11 and he's not.
I believe a plane did take off that day. I still struggle to believe it hit the Pentagon though.
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The plane vanished?
 
Paper_McGibblets said:
If you watched the video, you'd know that answer.
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Did you read the Snopes link about this? It explained all of the issues from that video in that article.

You do also know that there are a lot of witnesses and all of their stories independently collaborate that they saw a large plane and not a jet or military plane. A lot of them are independent sources.
 
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