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Here is a video on Youtube explaining Health Care Reform from the Kaiser Family Foundation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Ilc5xK2_E


Too bad this video doesn't include a I'm not a witch reference.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUNCpnRBf9o&feature=related

Seriously when you go and try and find facts it isn't hard to see that there are way to many misconceptions that are being flooded to many Americans.

Anyone in here had financial ruin because of an illness? It is hard to have empathy when you haven't had to feel any pain.
 
...Anyone in here had financial ruin because of an illness? It is hard to have empathy when you haven't had to feel any pain.

Yes. Maybe not quite financial "ruin" but definite impact, such as selling a home to pay medical costs, turning down a job that didn't offer as generous benefits, and small business owners who had to gut the company's insurance plan because one of her employees actually got sick and had to use the benefits, which then pushed the costs for the plan way up

I have a friend, a woman, who was in the process of going thru an amicable divorce about 8 years ago when she was diagnosed with cancer, and the divorce plans were put on hold so she could stay on her husband's insurance. They're separated, and living their own lives - dating, involved in serious relationships, etc, even though they're still married. It's kind of an interesting moral/ethical question in a way.
 
Yes. Maybe not quite financial "ruin" but definite impact, such as selling a home to pay medical costs, turning down a job that didn't offer as generous benefits, and small business owners who had to gut the company's insurance plan because one of her employees actually got sick and had to use the benefits, which then pushed the costs for the plan way up

I have a friend, a woman, who was in the process of going thru an amicable divorce about 8 years ago when she was diagnosed with cancer, and the divorce plans were put on hold so she could stay on her husband's insurance. They're separated, and living their own lives - dating, involved in serious relationships, etc, even though they're still married. It's kind of an interesting moral/ethical question in a way.

I think this is just another example of how silly our system is. Health Insurance, businesses, should never be the primary source of health care.

Health care should be universal and without pre-conditions.

Health insurance should be done away with. No other industrialized nation has our system. When will we learn? We're still floating around in sailboats and riding horses while the rest of the world is evolving using cars, trains, and airplanes.
 
Ok it looks like people are crying about me posting these three videos. Well, these are just three video that put forward a side that is less covered by the media. If you want to know my opinion that is fine. I think that the right controls a huge propaganda machine that when they don't like something their main focus is to throw as much mud at it hoping some will stick. Do I believe that this is the perfect system going forward? No, but I believe Obama honesty tried to get everyones ideas and the right didn't want to play ball. I'm sick of hearing that the bill was x amount of pages long. If I go to a college professor and tell him/her that I can't study for my test because you assigned too many pages. I flunk the test. Well, I believe those who complained about the size of this bill flunked out country. Get your lawyers or aids to help you mull through it and work in a bipartisan way to stop the farse that is IPO's.

You don't have to watch the video ignorance is bliss. I'm not saying what they say isn't skewed to the left. But, how many times have you tried to understand the oppositions point of view or do you just push it off as that black commie trying to make us socialists.
 
By the way there is a kid at my work 22 that told me a sad story. He was having his first daughter after losing his job he was unable to get any insurance to pick his wife up because of the preexisting condition of her pregnancy. Well, she went into labor and the doctors had problems delivering the baby. When she was pushing the babies heart wasn't taking it too well (this same thing happened to both of my kids). But, the doctor tried all kind of methods before she recommended a c-section. By the time they operated the baby came out not breathing and probably brain dead. They resuscitated the baby just to have her sit in the nique. All of this and they lost their daughter. Now he is at least 100,000 in debt for a daughter that he never got to enjoy.
 
Ok it looks like people are crying about me posting these three videos. Well, these are just three video that put forward a side that is less covered by the media. If you want to know my opinion that is fine. I think that the right controls a huge propaganda machine that when they don't like something their main focus is to throw as much mud at it hoping some will stick. Do I believe that this is the perfect system going forward? No, but I believe Obama honesty tried to get everyones ideas and the right didn't want to play ball. I'm sick of hearing that the bill was x amount of pages long. If I go to a college professor and tell him/her that I can't study for my test because you assigned too many pages. I flunk the test. Well, I believe those who complained about the size of this bill flunked out country. Get your lawyers or aids to help you mull through it and work in a bipartisan way to stop the farse that is IPO's.

You don't have to watch the video ignorance is bliss. I'm not saying what they say isn't skewed to the left. But, how many times have you tried to understand the oppositions point of view or do you just push it off as that black commie trying to make us socialists.

THose videos are filled with inaccuracies. The medical bankruptcy rate is a grossly exaggerated lie. The statistic for the number of uninsured is rapidly inflating grossly exaggerated lie.

Do you remember the HMO era? Were you a fan of it? Was it really better than what we have now?

The bill is built open faulty assumptions based on poorly designed studies.

The health care system will always be associated with stories of tragedy because all the true tragedies in life involve health. But the plan that was passed will absolutely slow the rate of medical innovation and decrease the overall quality of our health care, even as it makes it more equitable.

THe plan will make health care more equitable, but its definitely not clear that its worth the overall decrease in quality and innovation that will result.
 
THose videos are filled with inaccuracies. The medical bankruptcy rate is a grossly exaggerated lie. The statistic for the number of uninsured is rapidly inflating grossly exaggerated lie.

Do you remember the HMO era? Were you a fan of it? Was it really better than what we have now?

The bill is built open faulty assumptions based on poorly designed studies.

The health care system will always be associated with stories of tragedy because all the true tragedies in life involve health. But the plan that was passed will absolutely slow the rate of medical innovation and decrease the overall quality of our health care, even as it makes it more equitable.

THe plan will make health care more equitable, but its definitely not clear that its worth the overall decrease in quality and innovation that will result.


https://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-17-uninsured17_ST_N.htm

Why do you think it will slow the rate of our innovation or decrease quality? the second video covers what we believe is our sweet innovations not helping us just getting doctors more $$$ to line their pockets.

How do you make it to you doctor under HMO. You have to make an appointment weeks in advance. Then when you visit the insta care you have to fight your health insurance because you didn't get the referral needed to go.


Like I said the President asked for help tackling this issue and all he go was partisan garbage. So, I posted these videos to show a side that is less covered.
 
My family was nearly financially ruined by my medical costs and that was during the HMO era. My medical care (cancer treatment, 3 surgeries, multiple ER visits, 3 weeks in ICU, proton therapy at Loma Linda University Medical Center, etc.) was just under a half million dollars. I am very glad now that at the time I had an HMO as it kept our monthly out of pocket reasonable while I couldn't work full hours during treatment. Under my current plan, which costs in the neighborhood of 12X what my HMO did on a monthly basis, I would have to foot $5000 up front before any medical benefits kick in at all and then I would still pay a $40 copay + 20% of all bills to be paid on a monthly basis, that is, if they are covered, as many are not. And that doesn't count prescriptions, which for a cancer patient can be very costly (I had an experimental med that cost over $200 PER PILL). Even with my HMO it still stuck me with well in excess of $75k in debt (not all from medical but ancillary costs as well), on top of house payment, car payments, student loans, etc. I figured that with my current health plan I would be on the hook for well over double that out of pocket, and the monthly would be staggering. As it was we declared bankruptcy as a results and are just within the past few years, 12 years later, getting our credit back on its feet. Granted my case is an extreme one, but it does happen. I am lucky I had my degree and some experience to get me back on my feet. Others are not so lucky.

Count me as one who thinks something has to be done to fix our health care fiasco. And soon.
 
https://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-17-uninsured17_ST_N.htm

Why do you think it will slow the rate of our innovation or decrease quality? the second video covers what we believe is our sweet innovations not helping us just getting doctors more $$$ to line their pockets.

How do you make it to you doctor under HMO. You have to make an appointment weeks in advance. Then when you visit the insta care you have to fight your health insurance because you didn't get the referral needed to go.


Like I said the President asked for help tackling this issue and all he go was partisan garbage. So, I posted these videos to show a side that is less covered.
The second video you posted described the problem with fee-for-service health care - it does not describe the hits the plan gives to pharmaceutical companies and medical device makers.

Secondly the data thats presented in that video comes from teh Dartmouth Health Care Atlas. It is a laughably flawed study. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/health/policy/18dartmouth.html Thats a general overview of the issue, I can give you the specific data if you would like.

Also, the idea that other countries have better health care systems than ours just because they have more longevity is also misleading. Those countries have less stressful lives and better health habits. Also those countries are piggy-backing on the incentives the US market provides for drug making.


Heres an article I would hope you would consider reading

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/my-drug-problem/7279/

I think it provides an important and illustrative critique of the problems with the administrations approach to health care.

Also, the 50 million uninsured stat says more about our employment picture than our health care system. There are other ways to decouple employment and insurance (and I agree thats probably a good idea)
 
My family was nearly financially ruined by my medical costs and that was during the HMO era. My medical care (cancer treatment, 3 surgeries, multiple ER visits, 3 weeks in ICU, proton therapy at Loma Linda University Medical Center, etc.) was just under a half million dollars. I am very glad now that at the time I had an HMO as it kept our monthly out of pocket reasonable while I couldn't work full hours during treatment. Under my current plan, which costs in the neighborhood of 12X what my HMO did on a monthly basis, I would have to foot $5000 up front before any medical benefits kick in at all and then I would still pay a $40 copay + 20% of all bills to be paid on a monthly basis, that is, if they are covered, as many are not. And that doesn't count prescriptions, which for a cancer patient can be very costly (I had an experimental med that cost over $200 PER PILL). Even with my HMO it still stuck me with well in excess of $75k in debt (not all from medical but ancillary costs as well), on top of house payment, car payments, student loans, etc. I figured that with my current health plan I would be on the hook for well over double that out of pocket, and the monthly would be staggering. As it was we declared bankruptcy as a results and are just within the past few years, 12 years later, getting our credit back on its feet. Granted my case is an extreme one, but it does happen. I am lucky I had my degree and some experience to get me back on my feet. Others are not so lucky.

Count me as one who thinks something has to be done to fix our health care fiasco. And soon.

I'm sorry about your situation, and I'm glad you had the werewithal to get the treatment to help you move on with your life.

But I'm just not sure theres a solution. You talked about experimental pills being part of your cancer therapy - well consider, that in countries like England and Australia (as described in teh Virginia Postrel article i linked to above) the vast majority of the population does not get access to those types of treatments. Is that really a better situation?
 
I have not seen an option I really like yet. I am just glad there is dialogue around it with some momentum of some kind. I just know that there has to be something better than what we have now. I imagine it will have to be something altogether different and new. Just copying other countries' crappy health care systems won't get us there.
 
I'm sorry about your situation, and I'm glad you had the werewithal to get the treatment to help you move on with your life.

But I'm just not sure theres a solution. You talked about experimental pills being part of your cancer therapy - well consider, that in countries like England and Australia (as described in teh Virginia Postrel article i linked to above) the vast majority of the population does not get access to those types of treatments. Is that really a better situation?

Of course, the result of our current policy is that Americans in effect subsidize the research and development of everyone else's therapies.
 
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