I feel awful for hayward....that leg break...

[porcupinetree]

Plato's Republic, my friends.

Plato says we should be just. Plato's brother, Glaucon, says we should APPEAR to be just. Glaucon wonders what would happen if we had the mythical ring of Gyges, which renders us invisible, so that we can do nasty things, like pushing Hayward in the back when he goes up for an ally-oop, but no one can see us doing it...

I am just returned from one of my long absences, having been at my other home for five weeks past. Having more leisure there than here for reading, I amused myself with reading seriously Plato’s Republic. I am wrong however in calling it amusement, for it was the heaviest task-work I ever went through. I had occasionally before taken up some of his other works, but scarcely ever had patience to go through a whole dialogue. While wading thro’ the whimsies, the puerilities [childishness], and unintelligible jargon of this work, I laid it down often to ask myself how it could have been that the world should have so long consented to give reputation to such nonsense as this? … bringing Plato to the test of reason, take from him his sophisms [arguments used to deceive], futilities, and incomprehensibilities, and what remains? … Yet this which should have consigned him to early oblivion really procured him immortality of fame and reverence.
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, July 5, 1814

 

[David Hume]

I am just returned from one of my long absences, having been at my other home for five weeks past. Having more leisure there than here for reading, I amused myself with reading seriously Plato’s Republic. I am wrong however in calling it amusement, for it was the heaviest task-work I ever went through. I had occasionally before taken up some of his other works, but scarcely ever had patience to go through a whole dialogue. While wading thro’ the whimsies, the puerilities [childishness], and unintelligible jargon of this work, I laid it down often to ask myself how it could have been that the world should have so long consented to give reputation to such nonsense as this? … bringing Plato to the test of reason, take from him his sophisms [arguments used to deceive], futilities, and incomprehensibilities, and what remains? … Yet this which should have consigned him to early oblivion really procured him immortality of fame and reverence.
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, July 5, 1814

"Tis' why I, David Hume, am a better philosopher than Plato. He thinks but of reason, yet I take into account emotion, such as the feeling to want to push Hayward in the back when he goes up for an ally-oop."

__Someone on Jazzfanz impersonating David Hume, 2017

 

[Zachary]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not, but there is one huge elephant that it seems no one is talking about. I watched the replay numerous times to see what happened to Hayward. When Hayward went up for the alley oop, Jae Crowder bent over twisted and took Haywards legs out from under him. He then walked away and didn't look back, like he knew he was quilty but wanted to act all innocent. I'm not saying Crowder wanted to injure Hayward but I think he definitely wanted to shake him up. Remember last years Jazz game in Boston when Crowder got mad at the Boston crowd because they cheered Hayward like they knew he was coming to Boston. Also Hayward is the new starting small forward in Boston, Crowder the old starting small forward. Coincidence? Or welcome to the Eastern Conerence. It looked intentional to me. Crowder should be suspended as long as Hayward is out!

 

[The Midnight]

I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not, but there is one huge elephant that it seems no one is talking about. I watched the replay numerous times to see what happened to Hayward. When Hayward went up for the alley oop, Jae Crowder bent over twisted and took Haywards legs out from under him. He then walked away and didn't look back, like he knew he was quilty but wanted to act all innocent. I'm not saying Crowder wanted to injure Hayward but I think he definitely wanted to shake him up. Remember last years Jazz game in Boston when Crowder got mad at the Boston crowd because they cheered Hayward like they knew he was coming to Boston. Also Hayward is the new starting small forward in Boston, Crowder the old starting small forward. Coincidence? Or welcome to the Eastern Conerence. It looked intentional to me. Crowder should be suspended as long as Hayward is out!

Yeah I sorta saw that as well. Both Crowder and LeBron went up to break up that alley hoop attempt. I still haven't looked at it all that closely cos it was such a horrific moment, but I did wonder about what really happened in the air before Hayward landed.


It seems strange for him to have come down awkwardly like that all by himself without at least being touched in the air.

 

[The Midnight]

Also something else I've been thinking about - did the occasion get to him?


- Opening night

- New team

- Wanting to impress Kyrie and finish that lob

- All eyes on him now that he changed team, TNT, etc.

- Wanting to impress the young guys (Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum) and proving that he's better than those 2 promising guys

- Expectation of beating the Cavs now that they're supposed to be contending for the East


Hayward played for years for the Jazz without that high of an expectation. Then suddenly moving to BOS with all those fans expecting the World, etc.


The same play, with the Jazz, maybe he would have let the ball sail out rather than trying to go up and get it.

 

[gregbroncs]

Assuming you meant "doesn't" I can pretty much guarantee dude's going to get way more cheers than boos when he plays in Utah and rightly so. Sometimes a little class goes a long way.

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Not a chance in hell that Hayward hears more cheers than Boos when he eventually plays a game in SLC.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Assuming you meant "doesn't" I can pretty much guarantee dude's going to get way more cheers than boos when he plays in Utah and rightly so. Sometimes a little class goes a long way.

Not a chance in hell that Hayward hears more cheers than Boos when he eventually plays a game in SLC.

Yeah, people are crying right now as if someone died, but once Haywood is back to playing for the Celtics, people will remember the classless way he left Utah.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hayward will likely be booed for the rest of his career.

 

[gregbroncs]

Hayward will likely be booed for the rest of his career.

In SLC he will be. Deservedly so IMO.

 

[Aneurism]

Is it? I'm not on twitter putting clovers up and talking smack. I'm pretty rational... for a fan. if Hayward had grace and empathy in how he left I would have been disappointed but not nearly as salty. I have basically turned off any ringer podcast with Simmons or kevin o Conner because I couldn't handle listening to it. Even today in his article they talked about Hayward was ready to flourish under Stevens like he had been hiding all this hidden talent in Utah.

So please judge me based on the fact that I think those fans were insufferable...

Nope not on twitter talking smack, but instead in a forum thread titled "I feel awful for Hayward....that leg break..." making smug comments about Celtics fans not deserving any sympathy over their smug comments. I just thought there was irony in that. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Tak]

I think I would just sit in a women's locker room all day with an invisible bag of cheetoes. And whoppers.

I don't know man, you can also see haunting things in there.

 

[str8line]

It's so funny to read this thread and see that this board has not changed since I left it a few years ago.

So many of you suffer from "LOOK AT ME! I'M A GOOD PERSON!" disease.

Sheesh. You all fall over yourselves to post your condolences to Hayward and then badmouth and attack anyone who dares say "Karma" or expresses any degree of happiness over what happened to Hayward.
And many of you have accused any such person as being a BAD PESRON and you've attacked them personally.

You are a bunch of fools!

Hey, if you genuinely feel bad for Hayward and want to express it, fine. But I would wager that most of you are just showing your need to be seen as a GOOD PERSON!
But why is any other opinion invalid? Because you get to decide what constitutes a GOOD PERSON?

I'll say it loud and with no apology: When I heard that Hayward broke his leg, I was very happy. In fact, just a few hours earlier, I wrote an email to a fellow jazz fan in a foreign country that I hoped Hayward and many other players in the NBA would get injured. Right now, I probably despise more players then I ever have at one time, and I've been following the NBA since the 80's.
Hayward screwed the jazz big time. When he left, he was dead to me. I hoped he would fail.

Now, my hope for his failure means ZILCH! I have no control over what happens to him, and NEITHER DO ANY OF YOU! Your well wishes for his welfare mean ZILCH.
Whether I am happy about his injury or sad about it has no bearing on anything.

Yea, I was on this board a few years ago and even met a few of you (not sure the people I met are still here) and I saw how many of you treated people who didn't measure up to your GOOD PERSON threshold.

I would say GET OVER YOURSELVES, but you won't.
I doubt I'll be posting on here much, but I couldn't resist this one.

Too bad, Hayward. Players who ditch the jazz tend to see their careers go kapoot! Enjoy your millions. And enjoy watching the season

oh, and I can't resist saying "LONG LIVE PRESIDENT TRUMP!"

TLDR

 

[Shad]

Hope it's not career ending. Best wishes

 

[str8line]

I didn't see it, but some Celtics fans were saying that Crowder did push Hayward in the back. Can anyone verify that?

The play looked clean to me. It was Lebron's block that sent Hayward onto his back and his leg got trapped underneath him.

 

[zbone]

Feel free to correct me. What did you mean by virtue signalling if not to insinuate that many poster's expressions of sympathy were less than genuine?

I referred to shaming some posters and some Jazz fans in general for not feeling terrible.

 

[fishonjazz]

Face it, come on, be honest. When you saw Ramsey Bolton get eaten by his dogs, part of you was happy that justice was served. You wouldn't do it yourself, but part of you is glad the universe -- or someone over whom you had no influence -- did it for you.

**** ya. **** ramsay

 

[fishonjazz]

I am just returned from one of my long absences, having been at my other home for five weeks past. Having more leisure there than here for reading, I amused myself with reading seriously Plato’s Republic. I am wrong however in calling it amusement, for it was the heaviest task-work I ever went through. I had occasionally before taken up some of his other works, but scarcely ever had patience to go through a whole dialogue. While wading thro’ the whimsies, the puerilities [childishness], and unintelligible jargon of this work, I laid it down often to ask myself how it could have been that the world should have so long consented to give reputation to such nonsense as this? … bringing Plato to the test of reason, take from him his sophisms [arguments used to deceive], futilities, and incomprehensibilities, and what remains? … Yet this which should have consigned him to early oblivion really procured him immortality of fame and reverence.
Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, July 5, 1814

Did you see The Dark Tower movie?

 

[Deleted member 95]

Fish you're drunk, go home. Still love ya though.

 

[sahlensguy]

I like this new look Jazz minus Gordon. It sucks that he blew out his ankle like that though. It feels a bit wrong now to be glad that he's gone.

 

[Piso]

[video=youtube_share;YJ4NIex-6-8]https://youtu.be/YJ4NIex-6-8

He's not dead !!!

Good recovery, Gordon