Where's ThePearl gone? I need advice on OAK. My last calc had them about $500mm under their 2.5 billion-ish book value when you add in the earned but not accounted for returns on invested funds (they're roughly 7 year duration bonds htm so price volatility shouldn't be an issue in the end). It's best of breed with an incredible track record, and still relatively small at $90 billion with plenty of room to grow and apparently some momentum.
I don't know the space and can only guess the low price is estimating future payouts that will likely shrink in the short to mid term???
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Not knowing anything about this... Are those good terms for the borrower and/or do they have a reason for taking sup-prime terms?Maybe we should put together a Jazzfanz fund.
I don't do stocks.. Well, very rarely.
I am doing hard money lending with the following criteria;
- Maximum 30% LTV (actual value, not some ******** appraisal) against debt-free real estate.
- First Trust Deed
- I net fund everything. Meaning, I hold back an entire year of interest up front. This creates a 12 month prepayment penalty, if you will, as well as dramatically increases my effective IRR.
- charge no less than 14% interest.
Example:
I just loaned $500k on a piece of property that is worth (forreal) $2.5MM. I charged 18%. However I net funded the deal so I actually only came in with $410k.. But am receiving 18% interest on $500k.
I am doing a half dozen deals or so like this and it's way easier money than working for a living or playing the market.
Not knowing anything about this... Are those good terms for the borrower and/or do they have a reason for taking sup-prime terms?
Maybe we should put together a Jazzfanz fund.
I don't do stocks.. Well, very rarely.
I am doing hard money lending with the following criteria;
- Maximum 30% LTV (actual value, not some ******** appraisal) against debt-free real estate.
- First Trust Deed
- I net fund everything. Meaning, I hold back an entire year of interest up front. This creates a 12 month prepayment penalty, if you will, as well as dramatically increases my effective IRR.
- charge no less than 14% interest.
Example:
I just loaned $500k on a piece of property that is worth (forreal) $2.5MM. I charged 18%. However I net funded the deal so I actually only came in with $410k.. But am receiving 18% interest on $500k.
I am doing a half dozen deals or so like this and it's way easier money than working for a living or playing the market.
There are situations where it is smart to do business with you.
You sure you're not my brother who lives in St. Georgr? That's pretty close to the terms he does, and no he doesn't punch a clock at a job, either. It's been years since he took a case as a lawyer, too.
Example:
I just loaned $500k on a piece of property that is worth (forreal) $2.5MM. I charged 18%. However I net funded the deal so I actually only came in with $410k.. But am receiving 18% interest on $500k.
I am doing a half dozen deals or so like this and it's way easier money than working for a living or playing the market.
I don't understand. You lent 500k for a property that appraised at 2.5mm? So where did the other funds come from?
The borrower owned the property debt-free..
Only needed $500k loan.
No need to come up with anything add'l.
Ahhhh, ok. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. How long does the approval process usually take? Are your underwriters in-house? How long have you been doing this?
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