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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

Harambe said:
At what point didn't they have a reason to investigate donnie?

I mean, it's clear and dry that Russia interfered in the Election. It's clear and dry donnie met with Russians after taking office. It's clear and dry donnie's associates, and campaign leadership met with Russia. It's also clear and dry when stating he had no dealings with Russia, there were clear plans for a hotel in Moscow.

His character assassination by the media started because he was of questionable character in the first place(See "Grab 'em by the *****", multiple lawsuits over not paying contractors, his 'the art of the deal' book, words about him from his ex wife, and settling out of court for undisclosed sums of money any time he possibly could, which includes violations of the fair housing act, etc). In his own, denied words: He knew what he was signing up for.

Now, should the Mueller investigation explore into the Clinton side of things, let's throw the book at them too. I don't see where I'm defending the Clinton family, nor organization. But let's remember, the thread is about little donnie being investigated over election shenanigans.
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I meant they didn’t have a reason to investigate him before the campaign, or maybe a better way to put it would be they didn’t know they had any reason to investigate him before the campaign. Whereas Steele was hired specifically to dig up whatever he could on Trump, which is why he seemingly had more information regarding Trumps illicit dealings than our own intelligence and law enforcement agencies. I say seemingly because it’s not like we’d know what kind of info those agencies have on Trump because the investigation hasn’t wrapped up, and is likely to be classified anyway.
 
Stoked said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ting-democratic-lobbyist-tony-podesta-n812776

Mueller is now looking into the Dem lobbyist Tony Podesta and his Podesta group for possible violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
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Sounds good to me, I’m skeptical of any group working to advance Putin’s agenda, regardless of their political leanings here at home.

It is worth noting that Hillary’s campaign manager, John Podesta, is no longer affiliated with his brothers organization, as I’m sure this is quickly going to turn into a “Hillary was doing it too,” talking point for the Trump crowd.
 
Zombie said:
Sounds good to me, I’m skeptical of any group working to advance Putin’s agenda, regardless of their political leanings here at home.

It is worth noting that Hillary’s campaign manager, John Podesta, is no longer affiliated with his brothers organization, as I’m sure this is quickly going to turn into a “Hillary was doing it too,” talking point for the Trump crowd.
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She has plenty of dirt under her own rug. But as far as I have seen she has not come up in this at all.
 
Stoked said:
She has plenty of dirt under her own rug. But as far as I have seen she has not come up in this at all.
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Just gotta find a way to connect it to the investigation. The current investigation is donnie's campaign and their possible collusion with the Russians. I don't see how we can tie Clinton into that.

But I mean, if the allegations Franklin set forth are all that clear, why isn't there a separate investigation going on there? They investigated Benghazi what, four times? Emails how many times? The way it's presented there seems to be more than enough evidence... and the GOP has a majority in every single branch of the government.

If she's guilty, let her burn. If there's not even enough evidence to bring up a solid investigation from her staunchest rivals how is an individual supposed to take it seriously?
 
Harambe said:
Just gotta find a way to connect it to the investigation. The current investigation is donnie's campaign and their possible collusion with the Russians. I don't see how we can tie Clinton into that.

But I mean, if the allegations Franklin set forth are all that clear, why isn't there a separate investigation going on there? They investigated Benghazi what, four times? Emails how many times? The way it's presented there seems to be more than enough evidence... and the GOP has a majority in every single branch of the government.

If she's guilty, let her burn. If there's not even enough evidence to bring up a solid investigation from her staunchest rivals how is an individual supposed to take it seriously?
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Who knows what Mueller will uncover or where it will take him. From what I read he is allowed to follow and pursue anything he finds. I wonder where it will lead next.
 
In a development that likely surprises nobody, Trump and Corker have renewed their back and forth tweets insulting each other. Sad state of affairs, although I think Corker is right in saying Trump is "debasing" our nation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/corker-trump-feud/543801/

"In a trio of television interviews, the increasingly outspoken Tennessee senator repeated his dim assessment of Trump’s performance and went further than he—or any elected Republican—has gone in questioning the president’s fitness for office. Calling Trump “an utterly untruthful president,” Corker said he was not a role model for the nation’s children and declared unequivocally that he would not support him for reelection in 2020. “He’s obviously not going to rise to the occasion as president,” Corker said on CNN. He accused Trump of “constant non-truth telling” and said he would be remembered for “the debasing of our nation.”
 
Not everyone thinks the "Steele Dossier" is pure garbage:

https://www.justsecurity.org/44697/steele-dossier-knowing/

"[Editor’s Note: In this special Just Security article, highly respected former member of the CIA’s Senior Intelligence Service, John Sipher examines the Steele dossier using methods that an intelligence officer would to try to validate such information. Sipher concludes that the dossier’s information on campaign collusion is generally credible when measured against standard Russian intelligence practices, events subsequent to Steele’s reporting, and information that has become available in the nine months since Steele’s final report. The dossier, in Sipher’s view, is not without fault, including factual inaccuracies. Those errors, however, do not detract from an overarching framework that has proven to be ever more reliable as new revelations about potential Trump campaign collusion with the Kremlin and its affiliates has come to light in the nine months since Steele submitted his final report.]"
 
As it turns out, on dossier accusations, as of yesterday donnie is 1 of 3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.0c127eb7a3ee

Also note; no one actually thinks the dossier is a bunch of crap. They do think parts of it are incorrect, the GOP has largely attempted to discredit the dossier and Steele, but a lot of it stands up. To the degree of "almost certainly" true.
 
Harambe said:
Just gotta find a way to connect it to the investigation. The current investigation is donnie's campaign and their possible collusion with the Russians. I don't see how we can tie Clinton into that.

But I mean, if the allegations Franklin set forth are all that clear, why isn't there a separate investigation going on there? They investigated Benghazi what, four times? Emails how many times? The way it's presented there seems to be more than enough evidence... and the GOP has a majority in every single branch of the government.

If she's guilty, let her burn. If there's not even enough evidence to bring up a solid investigation from her staunchest rivals how is an individual supposed to take it seriously?
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Think about it dude. Follow the money trail. It's a well known secret in Washington that Israel has been influencing our elections ever since we oversaw the creation of that country. For example, we have testimony from high ranking investigation officials that money flowed in to Reagan to defeat Jimmy Carter. That's just one example.

US elections are all about the money. Money is king of the hill. So think of the implications and re-think your Benghazi throw out point. Benghazi was a complete joke of a grandstanding show used by the GOP because they had nothing to lose and everything to gain. There was no money for either party to gain coming in from Benghazi.

With other countries (meaning not Libya), it is different as either party can gain or lose campaign donations based on a candidates's stance, meaning nobody in Washington says ****. This is typical politics and has been for as long as recorded history. The Clintons have been documented to have taken money and benefited from foreign entities for a very long time now. This is not "allegations Franklin set forth are all that clear. There is documented tax return evidence that the Clinton's filed with the IRS. This has been known for a very long time and it's one of the reasons HC lost to Dump.

Liberals have been complaining about this problem for a long time but the media has not been putting it exactly in these terms. Palestine sympathy by the left. The complaints about Saudi (No doubt both sides are in cahoots and taking dirty money, including HC). And now the Russia problem, which comes across as mainly a continuation of American racism towards them. Does anyone really believe Russian politicians have decided to play just one side? That's political stupidity 101.
 
franklin said:
Think about it dude. Follow the money trail. It's a well known secret in Washington that Israel has been influencing our elections ever since we oversaw the creation of that country. For example, we have testimony from high ranking investigation officials that money flowed in to Reagan to defeat Jimmy Carter. That's just one example.

US elections are all about the money. Money is king of the hill. So think of the implications and re-think your Benghazi throw out point. Benghazi was a complete joke of a grandstanding show used by the GOP because they had nothing to lose and everything to gain. There was no money for either party to gain coming in from Benghazi.

With other countries (meaning not Libya), it is different as either party can gain or lose campaign donations based on a candidates's stance, meaning nobody in Washington says ****. This is typical politics and has been for as long as recorded history. The Clintons have been documented to have taken money and benefited from foreign entities for a very long time now. This is not "allegations Franklin set forth are all that clear. There is documented tax return evidence that the Clinton's filed with the IRS. This has been known for a very long time and it's one of the reasons HC lost to Dump.

Liberals have been complaining about this problem for a long time but the media has not been putting it exactly in these terms. Palestine sympathy by the left. The complaints about Saudi (No doubt both sides are in cahoots and taking dirty money, including HC). And now the Russia problem, which comes across as mainly a continuation of American racism towards them. Does anyone really believe Russian politicians have decided to play just one side? That's political stupidity 101.
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I hate to say it man, but you're derailing the thread, you're just doing it much more politely than TrourisJazzer. I'm not saying you don't have a solid idea set, I am saying this thread is about the donnie/russia. Let's keep it on topic.

Now, you wanna start a general "Liberals are a problem, this is why" thread, that's your prerogative. Wanna throw up a "Holy ****, American politicians are hypocritical *** hats", I'll probably even contribute.

JazzFanz GD is a scatter case at best. Let's try to stick to the actual investigation.
 
Harambe said:
I hate to say it man, but you're derailing the thread, you're just doing it much more politely than TrourisJazzer. I'm not saying you don't have a solid idea set, I am saying this thread is about the donnie/russia. Let's keep it on topic.

Now, you wanna start a general "Liberals are a problem, this is why" thread, that's your prerogative. Wanna throw up a "Holy ****, American politicians are hypocritical *** hats", I'll probably even contribute.

JazzFanz GD is a scatter case at best. Let's try to stick to the actual investigation.
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lol
 
Just curious, has anything from the Steele Dossier been proven false?

For all the mudslinging that Fox News is spewing right now on the dossier, to the best of my knowledge nothing about it has been disproven. In fact, many parts have been proven true.

Would it matter? I'm not sure if Congress right now would impeach Donald for colluding with Russia. Hell, I'm not sure if they'd impeach him if the video of him urinating on prostitutes surfaced either. The need to give billionaires tax cuts supersedes all right now.
 
Harambe said:
I hate to say it man, but you're derailing the thread, you're just doing it much more politely than TrourisJazzer. I'm not saying you don't have a solid idea set, I am saying this thread is about the donnie/russia. Let's keep it on topic.

Now, you wanna start a general "Liberals are a problem, this is why" thread, that's your prerogative. Wanna throw up a "Holy ****, American politicians are hypocritical *** hats", I'll probably even contribute.

JazzFanz GD is a scatter case at best. Let's try to stick to the actual investigation.
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no suprise here borther! everyone who has a right wing ideology is trollin and derailing threads!


sounds totalitarian to me!
 
franklin said:
I'm still chuckling at that tantrum.
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What tantrum? I thought I explained it in a pretty calm manner.

Siloing isn't always the best idea, but it's a necessary evil when dealing with multiple complex issues.

And let's be fair... It's not like I've ever gotten so upset I offered to quit posting.
 
DutchJazzer said:
no suprise here borther! everyone who has a right wing ideology is trollin and derailing threads!


sounds totalitarian to me!
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But this thread isn't about right wing ideology or left wing ideology, is it?

Or at least it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be about an investigation.

I mean **** guys... forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds here, but I'd really just like to discuss what's going on with the investigation when I open this thread. Not what Hillary had for supper before she raped an 11 year old nigerian boy, cut off his sack, and wore it to bed that night over her russian made, cyborg left hand.
 
Harambe said:
But this thread isn't about right wing ideology or left wing ideology, is it?

Or at least it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be about an investigation.

I mean **** guys... forgive me if I'm overstepping my bounds here, but I'd really just like to discuss what's going on with the investigation when I open this thread. Not what Hillary had for supper before she raped an 11 year old nigerian boy, cut off his sack, and wore it to bed that night over her russian made, cyborg left hand.
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We are 154 pages (on my screen at least) into this thread. No internet forum discussion is going to stay exclusively on target for that long. Other elements will be introduced. I see this Fusion GPS stuff as an extension of the original investigation. It's all connected by Russia. Keep the Trump stuff, sure. But other tangents will be introduced.
 
Stoked said:
We are 154 pages (on my screen at least) into this thread. No internet forum discussion is going to stay exclusively on target for that long. Other elements will be introduced. I see this Fusion GPS stuff as an extension of the original investigation. It's all connected by Russia. Keep the Trump stuff, sure. But other tangents will be introduced.
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Now that there's a publicized, confirmed connection, sure. Let's talk about it.

There wasn't one as of the 20th.

Infact, wasn't it me that first mentioned the first documented and reasonably confirmed connection between the DNC and the dossier?

I don't see how I was being partisan for calling donnie out for his shotgunning approach.
 
Stoked said:
We are 154 pages (on my screen at least) into this thread. No internet forum discussion is going to stay exclusively on target for that long. Other elements will be introduced. I see this Fusion GPS stuff as an extension of the original investigation. It's all connected by Russia. Keep the Trump stuff, sure. But other tangents will be introduced.
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Mine is 154 pages too!! We have so much in common!
 
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