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Fox Guarding the Henhouse: Mueller is completely discredited

It was so fun for them to say "nothing burger" over and over.

Too bad they couldn't come up with a rhyme or alliteration, or switch a commonly used term for something else that sounded almost the same (like "lame stream media" chortle, chortle).

Conservatives really enjoy that stuff. That's what winning is!
 
I think this displays an arrogance beyond the pale, really. Is there no argument whatsoever in favor of your point of view that is just too stupid to repeat in this forum?

"nothingburger" was used in some situations as an expression, brief enough for the news soundbite limitations, more or less asserting a disbelief in the charges, the "evidence" behind them, and the whole barrage of the accusers. It meant, more or less, "where's the beef". It said there is nothing substantial yet advanced to back up the charges......

conservatives are not anything like your caricatures of them, and their beliefs and arguments are often not actually seen in your descriptions of them.

I would assert, if I had time, that you're something of a troll yourself for all your baseless provocative assertions. In normal discussions, people have some basis that is presented in the discussion, whatever side they are on.

to date, there is no direct evidence of Trump's "collusion", but through the extensive links between the attorneys who worked the Russians into generating a dossier on Trump, there is plenty of "collusion".

The Uranium One deal resulted in millions of dollars going into the hands of democrats, which was used to buy campaign ads and such, and enriched several democrats personally.

There is evidence that Mueller was fully aware of the transactions. For this reason we have to consider Mueller such a partisan, possibly himself involved in collusion with the Russians, that we expect him now to recuse himself and hire an attorney to defend himself. If he does not do so, the American people, regardless of the refusal of our so-called "free Press", whose ownership is solidly in the hands of politically-involved partisans, should demand Mueller's recusal. We should also demand that the so-called grand jury be closed pending the filing of an actual charge of crime that can be investigated. It is outside the bounds of our law to set up "grand juries" with roving commissions. Every legitimate grand jury needs a specific charge to investigate, and it is a crime for law enforcement to act in any many without any evidence of a crime, or without a specific charges based on some evidence to legitimize the investigation.

I don't doubt that foreigners invest a lot of time, effort, and money into securing favorable relations with our elected officials. No doubt that, like our corporations, they contribute in noticeable ways to both sides of our major elections.......

I think we need to put a stop to that.

I think Mueller is in for one long ride with our justice system, politics included.....

I don't think we have enough of a problem with "trolls" on either side to feel like we need to clip anyone out of our discussions.

There are millions of people who believe the stuff Dutch says. Just deal with it.
 
We've moved from nothing burger to... "Well collusion isn't exactly illegal and OMG LOOK A CLINTON!!!" real fast.

Hilarious!
 
babe said:
I think this displays an arrogance beyond the pale, really. Is there no argument whatsoever in favor of your point of view that is just too stupid to repeat in this forum?

"nothingburger" was used in some situations as an expression, brief enough for the news soundbite limitations, more or less asserting a disbelief in the charges, the "evidence" behind them, and the whole barrage of the accusers. It meant, more or less, "where's the beef". It said there is nothing substantial yet advanced to back up the charges......

conservatives are not anything like your caricatures of them, and their beliefs and arguments are often not actually seen in your descriptions of them.

I would assert, if I had time, that you're something of a troll yourself for all your baseless provocative assertions. In normal discussions, people have some basis that is presented in the discussion, whatever side they are on.

to date, there is no direct evidence of Trump's "collusion", but through the extensive links between the attorneys who worked the Russians into generating a dossier on Trump, there is plenty of "collusion".

The Uranium One deal resulted in millions of dollars going into the hands of democrats, which was used to buy campaign ads and such, and enriched several democrats personally.

There is evidence that Mueller was fully aware of the transactions. For this reason we have to consider Mueller such a partisan, possibly himself involved in collusion with the Russians, that we expect him now to recuse himself and hire an attorney to defend himself. If he does not do so, the American people, regardless of the refusal of our so-called "free Press", whose ownership is solidly in the hands of politically-involved partisans, should demand Mueller's recusal. We should also demand that the so-called grand jury be closed pending the filing of an actual charge of crime that can be investigated. It is outside the bounds of our law to set up "grand juries" with roving commissions. Every legitimate grand jury needs a specific charge to investigate, and it is a crime for law enforcement to act in any many without any evidence of a crime, or without a specific charges based on some evidence to legitimize the investigation.

I don't doubt that foreigners invest a lot of time, effort, and money into securing favorable relations with our elected officials. No doubt that, like our corporations, they contribute in noticeable ways to both sides of our major elections.......

I think we need to put a stop to that.

I think Mueller is in for one long ride with our justice system, politics included.....

I don't think we have enough of a problem with "trolls" on either side to feel like we need to clip anyone out of our discussions.

There are millions of people who believe the stuff Dutch says. Just deal with it.
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Dutch can say what he says. I don't have a problem with his ideas, or those ideas being expressed. I have a problem with his poor manners, his intellectual dishonesty and his repetitiveness.

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Bulletproof said:
Dutch can say what he says. I don't have a problem with his ideas, or those ideas being expressed. I have a problem with his poor manners, his intellectual dishonesty and his repetitiveness.

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Especially the repetition
 
Zombie said:
The repetition really is tiring.
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if reppititon is tiring why do people not argue against it

for example.

Dutch:the sun comes up in the west
any poster who calls me a troll: omg you are so dumb stfu the sun does not come up in the east!
dutch: yeah the sun comes up in the west, because morning i stand up and the compass i have shows the sun is in the west!
any poster: omg im gonna report you for trolling stupid trol
dutch: I just checked it again this morning 3 times the sun comes up in the west according to my compas
another poster: zomg you are stupid, i will scour all your past post and mass report you, you will surely get an infraction
mod: dutch has been banned!


seriously why cant you just tell me ok, try another compas. or tell me the compas always ponts north. or do not lay on your back looking at the compas upside down!

i mean if the sun comes up in the west it is easy to argue and prove it instead of calling me a troll!

i have yet to hear an argument for example why nazis are right wing. except antionalism and racism. and nationalism and racism are not exclsuive to the right. for example lately i have sene a lot of racist stuf fcomming from the left.
i seriously have to hear coutner arguemnts. i clearly stated my case that i say nazis government is left wing, because 90+% of their polcieis laws regulations are on the left of the spectrum! so show me those policies wher enot enacted or are not left wing.


sorry for repeating it again. i decided to stay silent on this subject, but you guys adressed me, so i try to explain it one more time!


i am not trolling!


have a nice day, you trolls i clal you trolls because you disagree with me and want me banned
 
So, sometimes he says something and then goes "ha ha ha ha" because he thinks it's a chance to just laugh at "liberals" generally, or whatever. Bad manners? OK, not really just charming. The problem is, for example, when "speaking truth to power" ( assuming the statistical distribution of posters in here is hugely disproportionate in favor of the loose category of "liberals", "progressives", "democrats", or visionaries for a better world along any kind of socialist line actually amounts to "power" in this forum), it's always "bad manners" to have a contrary opinion, in many peoples' ideas of manners.

I think the general idea prevailing to today is becoming less tolerant of unconventional or non-standard "communitarian" sentiments.

If you want to make the argument about "intellectual dishonesty" it would generally take the form of pointing out incongruities between his basic information and his conclusions somehow. It would probably make a good post if you did that.

But, yah, it gets tiring to have to do all that work.
 
@BP:

I did note your earlier post about the notion that nothing new has come out, or it's old news, or can be understood in a legit light and so forth.
I have not really laid out the case here yet. I get a little from Hannity or Levin or AJ but not really much. I cannot just sit and listen much or for long, and when driving I lose the signal a lot. But here is what I think is pretty much public knowledge from months, if not years ago.....

Hillary was involved in the approval process, and more than any other person the most important or influential person involved in approving it. The Clinton Foundation received very substantial contributions from sources linked to the beneficiary of the business approval. Bill Clinton got huge fees for speaking in Russia, paid by the same kind of linked interests.

The recent disclosures include new information that a law firm employed variously by Clinton, Obama and the DNC used the same contacts, and paid for, a Russian investigation into Trump seeking to somehow discredit Trump. The dossier produced by the Russians---linked to Putin and others involved in the Russian business benefitting from the Uranium One Deal that Hillary approved--- was the basis of authorizing our government unmasking and investigating Trump. It was all intended to help Hillary win.

I'll be looking for actual sources for these assertions.
 
I read your first sentence, I do not believe I made any such argument.

The closest I can come up with is me saying that Trump won the election, Hillary lost. Hillary is irrelevant to me for the most part. Democratic internal corruption is troubling to me. Puts a very bad taste in my mouth. I've never outright identified as a Democrat, so I don't take it personally or feel defensive about it. I have, over the course of my life, generally sided with Republicans more, but since Bush Jr on I have not liked what I've seen, especially the prominence of the christian-right in the party, which I oppose more than almost any other force in politics.

I didn't vote for Obama either time.

I would be happy to see a christian conservative, Mike Pence, take over for Trump. I feel that way because 1, he is the Vice President on the winning ticket, the Constitution says the job goes to him if the President can no longer serve, and 2, because Trump is incompetent, seems to have run a criminal campaign, and is destroying our Constitution and the institutions that are the living embodiment of the Constitution.

Hillary can go to prison for all I care, but I don't really care.

That has nothing to do with the validity of the current investigation by Mueller, or the possibility that our President colluded with a foreign power during his campaign, among MANY other things.
 
Back before the media was so multidimensional and widespread, someone like OP could get away with stuff like this.

In this day and age though, it's blatantly transparent that it's just a regurgitation of the same few talking points of the day disseminated from the FOX news, koch machine. Anyone bringing up Uranium seemingly out of the blue, yet obviously strategically to deflect from current events, is clearly not doing it out of coincidence.

If Ingles were to take a blind guess, not knowing anything about OP aside from these handful of few posts, Ingles would guess OP is of a relatively older generation - one which is much more suspect to fall victim to these type of shenanigans. I don't blame OP, I blame the FAKE NEWS. Sad!

Jingle out.
 
One day I woke up to discover I was living in a banana republic....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...t-impeachable-actions/?utm_term=.8b2cb20df822

"At the core of President Trump’s unfitness and his malfeasance in office is his interaction with the Justice Department and the courts. This goes from the merely verbal denigration of the courts — “a joke,” “a laughingstock,” “so-called judges” — to actual actions such as firing the FBI director, reportedly imploring the FBI director to lay off of former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, trying to meddle in the prosecution of Joe Arpaio (whom he subsequently pardoned for criminal contempt of court) and, now, directly encouraging the Justice Department to go after a political opponent for spurious, long-ago debunked claims.

In a series of tweets, he called on the Justice Department to go after the Democrats: “Everybody is asking why the Justice Department (and FBI) isn’t looking into all of the dishonesty going on with Crooked Hillary & the Dems … People are angry. At some point the Justice Department, and the FBI, must do what is right and proper. The American public deserves it!” In remarks to reporters, he continued on in this vein. “I’m really not involved with the Justice Department. I’d like to let it run itself, but honestly, they should be looking at the Democrats. They should be looking at [John] Podesta and all of that dishonesty. They should be looking at a lot of things. And a lot of people are disappointed in the Justice Department, including me.”

There is no president in modern memory who has repeatedly and directly called on the Justice Department to investigate a political opponent in such a manner. A politician, one could imagine, upon new and actual evidence of wrongdoing, might say something like, “The appropriate authorities should look into this".

That’s not what Trump is doing here. He is both assuming guilt and applying pressure to go after an opponent based on scurrilous propaganda that he and his followers have generated. This is the conduct of a Third World dictator, and by any stretch of the imagination, an abuse of presidential power........

.........“There is no bigger abuse of power than the president ordering his Justice Department to investigate his political enemies or back off his political allies, and Trump has done both,” says former Justice Department communications director Matthew Miller. “If he did it in secret, it would be treated as an enormous scandal, but because he does it in public, we have all gotten used to it. But it’s still the worst possible abuse of power, and the kind of thing everyone in Congress should demand end immediately — with the most serious consequences if he doesn’t.”
 
Jinglin Joe said:
Back before the media was so multidimensional and widespread, someone like OP could get away with stuff like this.

In this day and age though, it's blatantly transparent that it's just a regurgitation of the same few talking points of the day disseminated from the FOX news, koch machine. Anyone bringing up Uranium seemingly out of the blue, yet obviously strategically to deflect from current events, is clearly not doing it out of coincidence.

If Ingles were to take a blind guess, not knowing anything about OP aside from these handful of few posts, Ingles would guess OP is of a relatively older generation - one which is much more suspect to fall victim to these type of shenanigans. I don't blame OP, I blame the FAKE NEWS. Sad!

Jingle out.
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Who is Ingles?
 
Report on Mueller

Here's something put out by some people who've known Mueller for many years, directly. As in having been attacked by Mueller when he was GHW Bush's attack dog.

http://read.larouchepac.com/?pid=MTY16915#

The link is many pages long, and in small type so I use a magnifying glass to read it, like most things I read nowadays I suppose.....

For someone like BP, or Red, it might be interesting enough. LaRouche has a substantial history himself, going back to his days in India after WWII when the Brits marked him as a persona non gratis.
In the sixties he was a sort of radical, a union activist with socialist ideals. He ran for President many times, clear into the 2000 election..... His rhetoric centers on traditional Democratic Party issues, and honors FDR as a sort of Saint. He is religious, distinctly Catholic following the RCC line.

I believe I first met him in 1967 in a diner where I was mopping the floor, and he called me to push his Union line of thought, mentioning how Unions could make my life better..... A few years later, he came to talk to my boss at the University of Utah on account of his intellectual and political ideas. I met him without question twice about fifteen years ago, listened to his speeches, and said hello afterwards.

Far from being a wackadoodle crank, he and his associates will substantially document their assertions, exhaustively, in their publications.

He is still a socialist with specific views about how to make the world a better place. He would replace our Dewey-decimal educational concept with classical education based on Socratic methods for developing the student's capacities for reasoning and thought. A little more of a job than stamping in a finite set of supposed "facts". He would have mankind "reach for the stars" in a new age of questing for scientific and technological progress, including nuclear energy, infrastructure to sustain efficient economies..... He has been promoting "The New Silk Road" for decades, a project that has achieved reality in Russia and China, and a new stable system of currency that is being adopted by BRICA nations as swell. As an economist, he refers to some early American models for banking and credit, and would use credit issued by a national bank (End the Fed, doe)..... notes to be repaid from the proceeds of the developments created. But we would necessarily return to having productive jobs, not just "service" jobs like changing motel sheets, because there's a whole lot of stuff we need to build....

There are some LaRouche people associated with Trump from the outset of his candidacy. They are encouraged by his notions about building stuff and making life better. Yah, the "LaRouche" folks don't really like the generals in his camp. But hey, who could ever really tell Trump just what to do.

Trump's trip to Asia is considered the most important and decisive event in the Trump Presidency because it is hoped that the US will join BRICA and dump the CFR/Brit bunch. About time. Why did we ever fight a Revolutionary War if we're going to be so damned charmed by the Brits that we will always dance like puppets on their strings.

Mueller has been "on the team" for the elites for years. Yah, the Republicans sorted died a thousand deaths while he was serving Obama. But he has always been doing his bit for the elites, as required.

And yes, he had his hands directly on the case when the Dems were hiring the Russians to do the dirt on Trump, just like the Rino(CFR) pukes before Trump won the nomination. Having him investigating "Russian collusion" is reprehensible when he was directly involved in the real collusion RINO and dem politicians actually did.

And now, sure, let's just call that "Opposition Research". Trump never did enlist the Russians in his information source base, and they never gave him any help. Mueller did enlist Russian help, and helped get them paid for it, and helped make use of it through civil service staff, a violation of US law.
 
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