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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

Joe Bagadonuts said:
If I didn't have you and others to tell me this was a shock and awe gambit I would have thought it was little more than a joke. I'm certainly not in shock and awe. I hope they get to the meat of this matter sometime soon.
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exactly, my shcok is the duides caught have more ocnnection to crimnally hilary. and he commited those "crimes" during his time with podesta lniked to clinton!

but media doesnt matter it. almost whole day i watch bloomberg for business financial news, but those people are clueless!


they wher ein shock that russian facebook adverts where anti trump
 
Stoked said:
That is literally what we are seeing happen right now. 3 men down already and it's still in full swing. What are you expecting? Photos and Audio of Trump and Putin snorting coke off classified nuclear code files?

Nothing has tied directly to Trump yet, as far as we know, but this is very damaging and this show is far from over.
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let me puiut it this way. i asusme if trump did crimes. why would people roll on him. just keep your mouth shut. and he will pardon you!
 
I think the last 48 few days have been devastating to Donald.

Donald has gone real fast from, "fake news, no one communicated with Russia" to "ummmm ok. We may have colluded. But hey look, a Clinton! NANANANANA CAN'T HEAR YOU NANANANANA!" The only question is, when will Flynn, Sessions (and his underlings), Kushner, and Jr. be indicted? You can't tell me that it was just a coincidence that Kusher Saturday night took off on an unscheduled trip to Saudi Arabia.

So lets look at this timeline:

  • In a morning in january 2017, George Papa is interviewed by the FBI over his connections to the Russians and the campaign. He lies to the FBI (now why would he do that?). Later this evening, Donald invites then FBI director Jim Comey over to the White House and asks him for a pledge of loyalty. Coincidence? Comey knew that Donald's campaign was under investigation for collusion. And Donald had to have known that some of his underlings were being investigated.
  • Throughout the spring, the investigation proceeds. Donald asks his justice department to come up with some flimsy excuse to get Comey fired. In an interview with Lester Holt, he admits that he fired Comey to "make Russia go away."
  • The corrupt as hell Donald regime continues to deny any communication until July, when the NY Times obtains emails showing that junior, Kushner, Manafort, etc met with Russians in Trump Tower to discuss dirt on Hillary. He only releases a part of the emails. The emails are later fully released by the Times. He goes onto Hannity and admits that dirt on Hillary was discussed. But it turned out to be a "nothing burger." And to "trust him."
  • The evening that this meeting took place at Trump Tower, Donald makes a campaign speech claiming that he had new dirt on Hillary and would release it soon. Coincidence?
  • Which brings us to today, where the Trump campaign along with its propaganda outlets, have kicked it up into high gear. Fox N Friends spent the entire morning yesterday discussing the top Halloween Candies. Throughout last week Fox News and AM Radio tried to connect Hillary with some bizarre sell of uranium in Canada to Russia to be used as nuclear fuel. The argument was incoherent and made no sense. Hillary had no connection to the sale and the sale required the approval of 9 other agencies. Besides, Russia already has more nukes than us. It was clearly a bizarre scheme to try and distract us from Mueller.
  • Kushner takes an unscheduled foreign trip just days before indictments come out. Coincidence?
  • Manafort and his underling are indicted for money laundering, tax evasion, and CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE USA. Only 6 people since the 1960s have been accused of such a crime.


So you have the motives:

  • Dirt on Hillary.
  • History of Donald laundering Russian oligarch money through Trump Tower and Florida real estate.
  • Paul Manafort's dirty connections and desperation to get out of debt.
  • Russia wanting to overturn the Magnitsky Act.


You have the history:
  • Donald needing money from Russian oligarch's since his history of bankruptcy has alienated American and German lenders.
  • Manafort's connections with Russian oligarchs.
  • Putin's hacking of the Ukrainian election in 2014 which results in the Magnitsky Act and Hillary Clinton kicking his ***. The pro-Russian president losing his position after the election fraud/collusion was revealed.


You have the results: (which continue to pile up poorly for Donald)
  • Underlings lying to the FBI about collusion.
  • Secret meetings in Trump Tower with Russians.
  • Firing Comey after he refused to pledge allegiance to Trump.
  • Trump and his propaganda sources trying their hardest to distract the public.

For me, the question isn't IF but WHEN Trump is impeached. He's politically dead already. It's just a question of how many people are going to go to prison (how much did Piebrus, Bannon, and Spicer know?) and when we can remove his carcass from the White House?
 
https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily

Listen to today's 20 min podcast. Fascinating history about George Papa and how Russia uses academics and those in think tanks to infiltrate campaigns. George was interviewed by the FBI over Russian collusion. Later that night, Donald invites Comey for dinner and asks him for a pledge of loyalty. Coincidence?
 
Ron Mexico said:
I personally hope that Trump does not get impeached. I dont want him to be made a martyr by his fans or give reason for people to be outraged more by "the system."

I think there will be some turmoil and it will be enough that Trump wont run for re-election. That will also be disappointing for me. I want him to run again and lose fair and square because of how poor of a president he was, preferably in the primaries for extra emphasis on how poorly he has done.
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Trumpist followers will be pissed no matter what happens. They're always pissed. That's their thing. The Nazis were never satisfied. They could liquidate entire towns of Jews and they were never satisfied. Same thing with Trumpists. They're mentally not living in reality. That's the problem with propaganda and those weak minded who desire to be ruled.

But you don't beat them by giving them the keys to the car.

I hope Donald is impeached asap. Russian collusion cannot stand. His *** needs to be tossed. And if Pence had any involvement, he needs to be tossed too. IMO, this entire executive branch needs to be purged. Drain the Swamp!
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...e2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.334888db479e

Years from now, historians may study the documents indicting Paul Manafort to understand just how the Russification of American public life was accomplished. Manafort is alleged to have laundered money, to have cheated on taxes and to have lied about his clientele. All of this he did in order to “enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States,” according to the indictment. Among other things it is alleged that he spent $1,319,281 of his money, illegally hidden from the U.S. Treasury, to pay a home lighting and entertainment company in Florida; to purchase $934,350 worth of rugs at a shop in Virginia; and to drop $655,500 on a landscaper in the Hamptons.

Some will find it ironic that Manafort did all of this while coaching candidate Donald Trump to run an “anti-elite” election campaign, one directed at “draining the swamp” and cleaning up Washington. But in fact, this is exactly the kind of tactic that Manafort perfected on behalf of Russia, in Ukraine, where he worked for more than a decade.
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Putin propaganda too does this. He is often portrayed as an "anti-elitist man of the people" leader. Which is ironic, since he is the very definition of an elite.

Likewise, everything Trump bitches about, fake news, corrupt, dishonest, arrogant rich elites, etc describes him perfectly. It's sad that about 34 percent of the country still falls for his nonsense.
 
Where was the vast inspection when Obama was caught telling Medvedev that after his election he will have more flexibility and that Putin needs to give him space? Why was it not started then?
 
franklin said:
Where was the vast inspection when Obama was caught telling Medvedev that after his election he will have more flexibility and that Putin needs to give him space? Why was it not started then?
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What would the investigation be investigating?
 
Obama got a lot of criticism for that statement. It was covered quite well by national news media. But it was quite unclear what it meant specifically and in practical terms it makes sense that a Presidential candidate wouldn't want to enter complicated diplomatic issues in the middle of a campaign and that after the campaign was over it would be easier to negotiate and make unpopular compromises to get an agreement done.

Or is this in the realm of grand conspiracy and not international diplomacy?
 
franklin said:
The same thing Trump's family and people involved with his election are being investigated for.
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That statement doesn't provide anywhere near the probable cause to investigate that existed before the Trump investigation. Like not even close. It was a cryptic statement that could mean hundreds of different things, some nefarious, others completely innocent, but it certainly looks like a slimy political situation regardless.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-introduce-bill-to-remove-bob-mueller-from-special-counsel-2017-11 A bill that will go no where has been introduced.

As a result of Popodopolous' cooperation, Sessions could be seeing perjury charges in his future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeloNmi9JjE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65o0oNfvNV8

Admittedly, the sources are a partisan. (You're welcome,Franklin) BUT, they replayed what was said, and in context, in the second one. It's a little harder to spin it at that point.
 
infection said:
I wonder which is more likely... Russian interference putting Trump in office or DNC primary interference putting Sanders out and thus putting Trump in office. I know only one of those theories gets play.
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Those aren't mutually exclusive. Unfortunately for us it seems both are true.
 
♪alt13 said:
Those aren't mutually exclusive. Unfortunately for us it seems both are true.
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Not saying they would be mutually exclusive, but the idea is that there's only focus on one of those issues. We'll see how much attention comes of the Donna Brazil stuff but my guess is another waive of Russia hysteria will come up to sweep it under the rug. But, to your point, I'd be curious to know what exactly Russia did that you feel could have been sizable enough to swing the election. On the other side, you can make a solid argument that Bernie could have been the legitimate victor against Clinton.
 
infection said:
Not saying they would be mutually exclusive, but the idea is that there's only focus on one of those issues. We'll see how much attention comes of the Donna Brazil stuff but my guess is another waive of Russia hysteria will come up to sweep it under the rug. But, to your point, I'd be curious to know what exactly Russia did that you feel could have been sizable enough to swing the election. On the other side, you can make a solid argument that Bernie could have been the legitimate victor against Clinton.
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It's hard to call it hysteria when evidence piles up faster than it's disproven.

Nothing will come from the "Bernie got screwed" wing. It was recognized by the courts that the DNC can run it's party any way it wants to, and favor any candidate it wants to. Bruzzle will her have her fifteen seconds of fame, and nothing will change.
 
Bulletproof said:
That statement doesn't provide anywhere near the probable cause to investigate that existed before the Trump investigation. Like not even close. It was a cryptic statement that could mean hundreds of different things, some nefarious, others completely innocent, but it certainly looks like a slimy political situation regardless.
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This statement is bizarre to me. If Trump had been caught saying what Obama did it would be by far the biggest evidence of collusion thus far. Can you name something that has come out in the Trump investigation that is even half as incriminating as that statement would have been, had Trump been caught saying it?
 
Harambe said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-introduce-bill-to-remove-bob-mueller-from-special-counsel-2017-11 A bill that will go no where has been introduced.

As a result of Popodopolous' cooperation, Sessions could be seeing perjury charges in his future.
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For what it's worth, I wouldn't trust the businessinsider.com website. They are very anti-Trump, which is fine with me, but they take it to the extreme where they often talk about extremely small probability events as if they are very possible or even likely to occur. (I haven't read this particular article, just a general comment.)
 
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