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Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

I personally hope that Trump does not get impeached. I dont want him to be made a martyr by his fans or give reason for people to be outraged more by "the system."

I think there will be some turmoil and it will be enough that Trump wont run for re-election. That will also be disappointing for me. I want him to run again and lose fair and square because of how poor of a president he was, preferably in the primaries for extra emphasis on how poorly he has done.
 
Real easy to prove corruption: Whitefish. I just think stuff like that should get more coverage over Facebook ads.
 
Real easy to prove corruption: Whitefish. I just think stuff like that should get more coverage over Facebook ads.

I think we can pay attention to both. I also think that Facebook and other social networking sites are going to be battlegrounds for every election in the foreseeable future and dismissing them as unimportant is a bad idea.
 
I think we can pay attention to both. I also think that Facebook and other social networking sites are going to be battlegrounds for every election in the foreseeable future and dismissing them as unimportant is a bad idea.

There is always going to be misinformation on social media. It really isnt important. Maybe if the actual media outlets did a better job of covering real issues with correct weight and focus, people wouldn't be so easily duped.
 
There are huge segments and entire broadcast hours dedicated to the Russia hysteria, but a huge corruption scandal that has caused people to die in Puerto Rico is covered much less. It's undeniable.
 
There are huge segments and entire broadcast hours dedicated to the Russia hysteria, but a huge corruption scandal that has caused people to die in Puerto Rico is covered much less. It's undeniable.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree that Puerto Rico has been under covered, I just dismiss that this is an either or proposition. I also think you kind of miss the point regarding social media, specifically that there is “always” misinformation there. That makes it sounds as if social media itself isn't quite a new development in our lives, which of course it is. The development of social media, and the ability to use it to mine personal data for ad targeting and misinformation is a big deal. Even if we aren’t taking it seriously, I assure you Russia is.
 
this is a big nothing burger.

in the indictment only rpesidents name is mentioned is Obummer!

this only proves collusion between the DNC and dnc related persons and russia collusion

HAHAHAHAHHA

BIG FAT NOTHING-BURGER. wish it had some pickles!
 
10 takeaways from Mueller's shock and awe gambit. It's only just the beginning. Full details of each takeaway at the link. I love the fact that Popadopolous has most likely been wearing a wire since or before reaching a plea deal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...778d330fb0468e7653ee5/?utm_term=.5bd5d3d170eb

“[Mueller’s] opening bid is a remarkable show of strength,” Susan Hennessey and Benjamin Wittes explain on their Lawfare blog. “He has a cooperating witness from inside the campaign’s interactions with the Russians. And he is alleging not mere technical infractions of law but astonishing criminality on the part of Trump’s campaign manager, a man who also attended the Trump Tower meeting. Any hope the White House may have had that the Mueller investigation might be fading away vanished . . . Things are only going to get worse from here.”

1. We now know that multiple members of the Trump campaign at least entertained the idea of getting help from the Russians.

2. Sam Clovis is about to be in the hot seat.
----He's up for the top scientific post in the Agriculture department, but is one of the officials encouraging Popadopolous to meet with the Russians....

3. Papadopoulos is helping the government, but we still don’t know how much.
----He's described in court documents as a "proactive cooperator", meaning: For Papadopoulos to get his October 5th plea, one of two things had to be true: (a) the feds had already got good sound from him; or... ..(b) he'd made a sufficient proffer establishing that he *could* get good sound for them — valuable evidence — shortly after October 5th.”

I.E. He's most likely been wearing a wire!!

4. The updated timeline raises a host of new questions about what Trump knew and when he knew it.

5. Mueller is playing hardball as he tries to flip Manafort and Gates.
----A former Watergate assistant special prosecutor, Nick Akerman, said the court filings “all spell bad news for Trump” because he cannot see any strong defense to the Manafort indictment. “The only defense that you’ve got is to go in there and start singing like a canary to avoid jail time,” he told our colleagues. “And once he starts singing, one of the tunes is bound to be Donald Trump.”

6. Mueller’s moves are designed to send a message to everyone else entangled in the probe that he's not messing around.
----“This is the way you kick off a big case,” said white-collar defense lawyer Patrick Cotter, who formerly worked alongside the man spearheading the prosecution of Manafort and Gates. “Oh, man, they couldn’t have sent a message any clearer if they’d rented a revolving neon sign in Times Square. And the message isn’t just about Manafort. It’s a message to the next five guys they talk to. And the message is: ‘We are coming, and we are not playing, and we are not bluffing.’”

7. Unsealing the guilty plea was an insurance policy that makes it politically untenable for Trump to fire Mueller.

8. Yesterday’s indictments will contribute to a climate of fear in the White House that makes it harder for Trump and his staff to be effective.
----"Away from the podium, Trump staffers fretted privately over whether Manafort or Gates might share with Mueller’s team damaging information about other colleagues,”

9. Mueller has proven that his investigation is not partisan.
----"Tony’s Podesta Group is one of two firms described in Monday’s indictment as having been recruited by Manafort and Gates to lobby on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych, the former president of Ukraine who fled to Moscow in 2014,”

10. The indictments cast fresh doubts on Trump’s judgment and his discernment in surrounding himself with good people.
 
I personally hope that Trump does not get impeached. I dont want him to be made a martyr by his fans or give reason for people to be outraged more by "the system."

I think there will be some turmoil and it will be enough that Trump wont run for re-election. That will also be disappointing for me. I want him to run again and lose fair and square because of how poor of a president he was, preferably in the primaries for extra emphasis on how poorly he has done.

I hope he gets impeached. I hope it's a long, drawn out process that explains everything down to the smallest detail.

Including his boasted, yet inflated, personal net worth.
 
I think Trump will step down if impeachment seems likely.

I think the rats will start abandoning the ship and that's when we'll know the end to Trump's Presidency is ending.
 
10 takeaways from Mueller's shock and awe gambit. It's only just the beginning. Full details of each takeaway at the link. I love the fact that Popadopolous has most likely been wearing a wire since or before reaching a plea deal:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...778d330fb0468e7653ee5/?utm_term=.5bd5d3d170eb

“[Mueller’s] opening bid is a remarkable show of strength,” Susan Hennessey and Benjamin Wittes explain on their Lawfare blog. “He has a cooperating witness from inside the campaign’s interactions with the Russians. And he is alleging not mere technical infractions of law but astonishing criminality on the part of Trump’s campaign manager, a man who also attended the Trump Tower meeting. Any hope the White House may have had that the Mueller investigation might be fading away vanished . . . Things are only going to get worse from here.”

1. We now know that multiple members of the Trump campaign at least entertained the idea of getting help from the Russians.

2. Sam Clovis is about to be in the hot seat.
----He's up for the top scientific post in the Agriculture department, but is one of the officials encouraging Popadopolous to meet with the Russians....

3. Papadopoulos is helping the government, but we still don’t know how much.
----He's described in court documents as a "proactive cooperator", meaning: For Papadopoulos to get his October 5th plea, one of two things had to be true: (a) the feds had already got good sound from him; or... ..(b) he'd made a sufficient proffer establishing that he *could* get good sound for them — valuable evidence — shortly after October 5th.”

I.E. He's most likely been wearing a wire!!

4. The updated timeline raises a host of new questions about what Trump knew and when he knew it.

5. Mueller is playing hardball as he tries to flip Manafort and Gates.
----A former Watergate assistant special prosecutor, Nick Akerman, said the court filings “all spell bad news for Trump” because he cannot see any strong defense to the Manafort indictment. “The only defense that you’ve got is to go in there and start singing like a canary to avoid jail time,” he told our colleagues. “And once he starts singing, one of the tunes is bound to be Donald Trump.”

6. Mueller’s moves are designed to send a message to everyone else entangled in the probe that he's not messing around.
----“This is the way you kick off a big case,” said white-collar defense lawyer Patrick Cotter, who formerly worked alongside the man spearheading the prosecution of Manafort and Gates. “Oh, man, they couldn’t have sent a message any clearer if they’d rented a revolving neon sign in Times Square. And the message isn’t just about Manafort. It’s a message to the next five guys they talk to. And the message is: ‘We are coming, and we are not playing, and we are not bluffing.’”

7. Unsealing the guilty plea was an insurance policy that makes it politically untenable for Trump to fire Mueller.

8. Yesterday’s indictments will contribute to a climate of fear in the White House that makes it harder for Trump and his staff to be effective.
----"Away from the podium, Trump staffers fretted privately over whether Manafort or Gates might share with Mueller’s team damaging information about other colleagues,”

9. Mueller has proven that his investigation is not partisan.
----"Tony’s Podesta Group is one of two firms described in Monday’s indictment as having been recruited by Manafort and Gates to lobby on behalf of Viktor Yanukovych, the former president of Ukraine who fled to Moscow in 2014,”

10. The indictments cast fresh doubts on Trump’s judgment and his discernment in surrounding himself with good people.

If I didn't have you and others to tell me this was a shock and awe gambit I would have thought it was little more than a joke. I'm certainly not in shock and awe. I hope they get to the meat of this matter sometime soon.
 
If I didn't have you and others to tell me this was a shock and awe gambit I would have thought it was little more than a joke. I'm certainly not in shock and awe. I hope they get to the meat of this matter sometime soon.

That is literally what we are seeing happen right now. 3 men down already and it's still in full swing. What are you expecting? Photos and Audio of Trump and Putin snorting coke off classified nuclear code files?

Nothing has tied directly to Trump yet, as far as we know, but this is very damaging and this show is far from over.
 
By this measure it seems pretty obvious that Hillary was guilty of collusion with Russia. Had she won, I wonder if we would be going through a similar investigation. I think not. Not because she is any less guilty than Trump, but because, for the most part, the media was hoping she would win. To me the entire situation always boils back to the fact that we had such an absolutely horrendous choice in candidates. My gut tells me that is because at this point in history only a narcissist would choose to run for President of the United States.

I wonder which is more likely... Russian interference putting Trump in office or DNC primary interference putting Sanders out and thus putting Trump in office. I know only one of those theories gets play.

Glad to see they are looking into financial corruption now instead of the bogus/impossible to prove facebook ads. I guess they finally conceded it would be impossible to hurt Trump on that and are now opening Pandora's box of financial corruption in American politics.

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Sorry, it't been selective reading. Welcome to Thriller, Tiny Weenie, Boris, One love, & Red-vill.

Oh, and what was that Muslim's alt's name that stirred this place up for a while? That was a really cool act but got old and retired.
 
Sorry, it't been selective reading. Welcome to Thriller, Tiny Weenie, Boris, One love, & Red-vill.

Oh, and what was that Muslim's alt's name that stirred this place up for a while? That was a really cool act but got old and retired.

Best day I've had in a while. Always knew I was the superior troll when I wanted to be.
 
WHY ARE YOU DERAILING THIS THREAD?!? THIS IS ABOUT TRUMP AND ONLY ABOUT TRUMP

-Harambaby
CEO of the Thought Police Academy
(801) 472-3818

I am confused. Is this a high rep post?
 
That is literally what we are seeing happen right now. 3 men down already and it's still in full swing. What are you expecting? Photos and Audio of Trump and Putin snorting coke off classified nuclear code files?

Nothing has tied directly to Trump yet, as far as we know, but this is very damaging and this show is far from over.

Characterizing what has been revealed so far as damaging seems like a stretch. If we assume this is the tip of the iceburg then yes, there will be damages to Trump. If, on the other hand, this is simply a fishing expedition, it could turn into a very embarrassing (and costly) one. The people who believe we are seeing shock and awe at this point obviously think they know something that those of us who haven't yet seen the facts of the case do not.

If Papadoupolis had been wired, and if he has had continued access to Trump's inner circle, and if people in that circle did in fact say something salacious in his presence while he was wired, I'm sure that there are some very nervous people right now. But it's also possible that nobody who talked with him said or did anything that they really need to be worried about. Some people are acting as if it is literally impossible that Trump did not collude with the Russians even though half a year or more after the initial allegations we haven't seen any proof that such collusion exists.
 
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