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2011 draft.....

ankle breaker said:
i love millsap but i think he's expendable now on this team....unless he comes off the bench. favors is the PF of the future and hopefully they can land dwill to start at SF. millsap's value probably wont get any higher so if they could turn him and the 12th pick into knight i would do it. im not suggesting trading a potential lottery pick as well i just dont know how much other teams would value paul. knight has a ton of talent, potential, is young, and a smart kid. not saying he will be a superstar but he has the ability to be a star, more so than any other PG in this draft. if im the jazz brass im trying to get as much young talent as possible.
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I wouldn't. Knight would be around #10 pick if everyone didn't pull out, he is a horribly inefficient player. Do you know how many #10 picks turn out to be as good as Millsap? Probably less than 10%. Oh and you want to give the #12 as well?
 
dream trade:

Utah trade: #12 + CJ + future lottery-protected 1st
Washington trades: #6

Utah selects Bismack Biyombo
 
NAOS said:
dream trade:

Utah trade: #12 + CJ + future lottery-protected 1st
Washington trades: #6

Utah selects Bismack Biyombo
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In that situation then you don't draft Kanter at 3 then? You would have to trade 2 of our big men most likely. Plus, you'd be relying on 2 rookie's and a 2nd year in Favors big wise which means you are completely in rebuilding mode.
 
NAOS said:
dream trade:

Utah trade: #12 + CJ + future lottery-protected 1st
Washington trades: #6

Utah selects Bismack Biyombo
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In that situation it would be more likely we would deal the 3rd pick to drop down and get Bismack plus a protected first rounder for next year IMO.
 
Favors Flave said:
In that situation then you don't draft Kanter at 3 then? You would have to trade 2 of our big men most likely. Plus, you'd be relying on 2 rookie's and a 2nd year in Favors big wise which means you are completely in rebuilding mode.
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Actually, I'm not a big Enes fan. I'm going to pray that MIN falls in love with him so that Williams falls to us. If not, I'm not sure who you take in this godforsaken draft.

EDIT: maybe after this 'dream trade' you try to trade the #3 to the Raptors for their 5th + a second. Then, draft Knight.

I don't understand why you think we'd NEED to trade 2 big men.
 
I would not be surprised if Cleveland doesn't pick Irving at 1. They could pick Williams at 1 and Knight at 4 so they could get their sf and pg. If Cleveland does pick Irving a 1, I don't think Williams is a guarantee at 2 to Minnesota. I think Williams is the best player in this draft and if the Jazz some how end up with him, I would forgive KOC for all his bad past drafts.
 
sojodave said:
I would not be surprised if Cleveland doesn't pick Irving at 1. They could pick Williams at 1 and Knight at 4 so they could get their sf and pg. If Cleveland does pick Irving a 1, I don't think Williams is a guarantee at 2 to Minnesota. I think Williams is the best player in this draft and if the Jazz some how end up with him, I would forgive KOC for all his bad past drafts.
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But if Minny is shopping their pick then it is very unlikely that Williams drops to 3. Unless someone falls in love with Kanter and wants to move up to 2 to get him.
 
I'm less certain than some of you on Williams. I'm pretty unsure on kanter too though. That's 2011 for ya.

I too want to find a way to nab Bismack if at all possible.
 
There's a very good chance Irving drops to #3. If he does, should the Jazz take him? I'd vote no. I don't think he's a dominant PG.
I could see the Cavs draft Williams and the Wolves go with Kanter. Beasley, Love, Kanter is a nice front court with Johnson and Rubio (they hope) at the guard postions. That's a great young 5 for Minnesota and I could see them making the playoffs in 2-3 years.

My preference would be Williams. I think Jefferson, Favors, Millsap is already a nice trio at the 4/5, with a little Memo off the bench. If Ak does not return, that means the Jazz only have CJ at SF (assuming Hayward is slotted in at SG). If Dwill2 is gone, I'd like to see the Jazz draft Singleton at #12. I don't think he'll be Ronnie Brewer #2. He's a better defender and has a chance at developing a decent shot. Brewer was never going to get the proper rotation on his shot because of his elbow.
 
BENTLEY said:
I'm less certain than some of you on Williams. I'm pretty unsure on kanter too though. That's 2011 for ya.

I too want to find a way to nab Bismack if at all possible.
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Looks like KOC is going to need a plan A, B, and C.

If so and so takes this guy with the 2nd pick then I will do this... etc
 
GlassEater said:
There's a very good chance Irving drops to #3. If he does, should the Jazz take him? I'd vote no. I don't think he's a dominant PG.
I could see the Cavs draft Williams and the Wolves go with Kanter. Beasley, Love, Kanter is a nice front court with Johnson and Rubio (they hope) at the guard postions. That's a great young 5 for Minnesota and I could see them making the playoffs in 2-3 years.

My preference would be Williams. I think Jefferson, Favors, Millsap is already a nice trio at the 4/5, with a little Memo off the bench. If Ak does not return, that means the Jazz only have CJ at SF (assuming Hayward is slotted in at SG). If Dwill2 is gone, I'd like to see the Jazz draft Singleton at #12. I don't think he'll be Ronnie Brewer #2. He's a better defender and has a chance at developing a decent shot. Brewer was never going to get the proper rotation on his shot because of his elbow.
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Ford thinks the Cavs are in love with Irving at 1. If he is there at 3 then you have to take him. He is the surest thing in this draft IMO.
 
GlassEater said:
There's a very good chance Irving drops to #3. If he does, should the Jazz take him? I'd vote no. I don't think he's a dominant PG.
I could see the Cavs draft Williams and the Wolves go with Kanter. Beasley, Love, Kanter is a nice front court with Johnson and Rubio (they hope) at the guard postions. That's a great young 5 for Minnesota and I could see them making the playoffs in 2-3 years.

My preference would be Williams. I think Jefferson, Favors, Millsap is already a nice trio at the 4/5, with a little Memo off the bench. If Ak does not return, that means the Jazz only have CJ at SF (assuming Hayward is slotted in at SG). If Dwill2 is gone, I'd like to see the Jazz draft Singleton at #12. I don't think he'll be Ronnie Brewer #2. He's a better defender and has a chance at developing a decent shot. Brewer was never going to get the proper rotation on his shot because of his elbow.
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If Irving falls to 3 that means that D. Williams is gone. And mostly Kanter too. Personally I would love Irving at 3. Then we can draft another wing at 12 or a project big guy and resign AK.
 
Qman said:
If Irving falls to 3 that means that D. Williams is gone. And mostly Kanter too. Personally I would love Irving at 3. Then we can draft another wing at 12 or a project big guy and resign AK.
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Exactly. This also means that we wouldn't use a much coveted draft pick for next years draft on a PG. Instead we can focus on a different position. I am of the impression that we will take a PG this year or next.
 
Well, Kanter is the worst case scenario. That's awesome, as I think he has some real skill and could be a great compliment next to Favors. That being said, I really hope Williams slides down to the Jazz.
 
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