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Here's DraftExpress' latest take on Trevon Duvall going into the season.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/

STRENGTHS

-Physical specimen at 6'3, with a 6'9 ½ wingspan and a chiseled 195 pound frame. Big hands. Wide shoulders
-Tremendous athlete. Impressive combination of quickness, body control and sheer strength in the open floor. Overpowers smaller guards on a regular basis. Gets to wherever he wants on the floor.
-Quick twitch acceleration in the half-court. Has an extra gear. Can play above the rim with ease
-Can make the extra pass. Shows some vision on the move, especially in the open floor. Will uses both sides of the floor at times
-Outstanding potential defensively. Gets low, moves his feet and puts great pressure on the ball with his size, length and strength. Very impressive when he's focused, competing and working to lock down the opponent
-Articulate and intelligent off the floor. Student of the game. Leaves a lot of room for optimism with his intangibles

WEAKNESSES

-Hasn't made much progress with his jumper. Still looks like he's shooting bowling balls at the rim. Shoots on the way down, or from his shoulder. Stiff with his release
-Needs to improve his ability to finish with finesse around the rim. Struggles in traffic at times despite his tremendous tools
-Decision making skills leave a lot to be desired. Not the most fundamentally sound or solid passer. Looks to make the highlight reel pass instead of the simple one too often, rendering him turnover prone. Often a split-second late with his reads. Kills his dribble in traffic
-Gambly defender who takes possessions off at times OUTLOOK Despite being considered the #1 point guard prospect in the class, Duval struggled for the most part in Portland, particularly in the scrimmages where he was outplayed by Collin Sexton. Duval's jump-shot hasn't made the type of progress you may have hoped, and defenses have gotten much smarter about sagging off him and forcing him to beat them from outside. He's a monster in the open floor, but his decision making skills are still catching up to his athleticism ability in the half-court.

- Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/ ©DraftExpress
 
Lonnie Walker at U of Miami looks like a solid 2-guard prospect. Nice balance and form on his jumper when he doesn't back-foot it. Good elevation in the paint. Some nice passes. Solid build and good 6'10"+ wingspan with potential to guard in a stance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLH3_9FrxNY
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I'm as big a Doncic apologist as anybody, but that is crazy talk. He's not as big and not nearly the athlete.
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Simmons can't shoot though. I'M not saying Doncic is Curry as a shooter, but look how much easier it getts for everyone else on the court to score when the defense has to put emphasis on the 3pt line
 
Grayson Allen is going to be in the NBA for 10 years... not a high level dude but a role player. Will likely end up being as annoying as JJ Barea.
 
Early of course, but this Kentucky team does not impress me. Think Knox could be the only first round. Only other guy I kind of liked was Killeya-Jones.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Early of course, but this Kentucky team does not impress me. Think Knox could be the only first round. Only other guy I kind of liked was Killeya-Jones.
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Watched most of the first half... they are talented but not a lot of BBIQ yet. Just guys doing stuff.
 
NAOS said:
I remember having to live in these threads. I was hoping there would be more years between now and then.......... ****
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Tough times.
 
Catchall said:
Here's DraftExpress' latest take on Trevon Duvall going into the season.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/

STRENGTHS

-Physical specimen at 6'3, with a 6'9 ½ wingspan and a chiseled 195 pound frame. Big hands. Wide shoulders
-Tremendous athlete. Impressive combination of quickness, body control and sheer strength in the open floor. Overpowers smaller guards on a regular basis. Gets to wherever he wants on the floor.
-Quick twitch acceleration in the half-court. Has an extra gear. Can play above the rim with ease
-Can make the extra pass. Shows some vision on the move, especially in the open floor. Will uses both sides of the floor at times
-Outstanding potential defensively. Gets low, moves his feet and puts great pressure on the ball with his size, length and strength. Very impressive when he's focused, competing and working to lock down the opponent
-Articulate and intelligent off the floor. Student of the game. Leaves a lot of room for optimism with his intangibles

WEAKNESSES

-Hasn't made much progress with his jumper. Still looks like he's shooting bowling balls at the rim. Shoots on the way down, or from his shoulder. Stiff with his release
-Needs to improve his ability to finish with finesse around the rim. Struggles in traffic at times despite his tremendous tools
-Decision making skills leave a lot to be desired. Not the most fundamentally sound or solid passer. Looks to make the highlight reel pass instead of the simple one too often, rendering him turnover prone. Often a split-second late with his reads. Kills his dribble in traffic
-Gambly defender who takes possessions off at times OUTLOOK Despite being considered the #1 point guard prospect in the class, Duval struggled for the most part in Portland, particularly in the scrimmages where he was outplayed by Collin Sexton. Duval's jump-shot hasn't made the type of progress you may have hoped, and defenses have gotten much smarter about sagging off him and forcing him to beat them from outside. He's a monster in the open floor, but his decision making skills are still catching up to his athleticism ability in the half-court.

- Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/ ©DraftExpress
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Pass.
 
BTP said:
Simmons can't shoot though. I'M not saying Doncic is Curry as a shooter, but look how much easier it getts for everyone else on the court to score when the defense has to put emphasis on the 3pt line
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Lol. Man you should really watch a sixers game before spewing this nonsense. Simmons "can't shoot" YET, and still puts up 20pts/gm. Seriously, Its been a long long time since I saw someone come into the league with as many intangibles, as much talent and possess such high basketball IQ as Simmons.

imo, it will be another 10yrs before we see another young talent like Simmons.

#TheFreshPrince
 
Yeah, Duval definitely can't shoot. In the Michigan St game the defenders were guarding him a good 5 feet of space when he had the ball at the 3pt line. He also went 3/7 from the FT line.
 
I'm gonna be watching Duke vs Michigan state and will be adding my notes on the prospects in this post(when done I will add the end at the end of the post):

Marvin Bagley:
-first play - athletic drive in traffic, misses the layup after he did the harder thing.
-putback jam. very impressive athleticism...
-tries posting up, jump-step into a hook... travels.
-gets another offensive rebound, but gets rejected on his putback attempt.
-catches a D-rebound and throws it ahead 3/4 pass to Duval.
-they try to post him up again. Loses his balance and almost turns it over...
-another O-reb... tracks the ball and first to the spot... converts a floater in the lane. Interesting... (he has 6rbs 8 minutes into the game)
-blocks opposing 5 at the rim.
-got poker in the eye on a rebound... out of the game, into the lockerroom. (half time eye injury, won't return)


Trevon Duval: Questionable touch. Misses 1/2 FTs. Questionable decisionmaking.(those are the expectations I'm coming into the game with)
-pressures ballhandler full court, good intensity on D.
-dunk in transition... has good lift and quickness.
-next possessions, tries playing one on one ... good handle but couldn't really create advantage... misses a tough shot in paint-non-restricted.
-2 possessions later - straight away 3 attempt on the catch. the form doesn't look horrible ... there is a bit of a pause when the ball is straight in front of his face. It clanks off the iron.
-misses another 3, this time from the corner, wide open.
-I like his passing, doesn't hold the ball too much
-another miss from 3.
-great cut into space and even better touch pass once he got the ball to create open layup.
-good handle and change of direction for a drive. Gets fouled. Misses both FTs... heh...
-steal and dunk in transition. A lot to like about Duval... his shot will be a major worry though.
-good quickness going to the rim and good handle again... blocked by Jackson this time.
-gets the rebound and throws a full court pass to Allen for transition 3. Nice.
-when he has a bit of steam he's dangerous. Makes a nice eurostep in the paint, gets fouled. This time makes both.
-passes up wide open 3 to drive for a layup.
-unselfish in transition(I'm not seeing the huge decision making problems he was supposed to have, plays relatively in control, overall good decisions - for example Dejounte had clear issues with decisionmaking, none of this is present with Duval IMO, at least not in this game).
-drives in the paint but misses the runner. He needs to go for a layup once he's there IMO. Those floaty runners from 3-5 feet haven't been going down for him and I don't know why he doesn't use the glass. Makes up for it on D with a block.
-touch around the rim is not great - again goes to the rim on a whim and again misses the layup.
-Duval has moves, nice score in the paint
-to the rim again, switches hands in the air, scores with the left from the right side of the rim. He has some skill.
-Duval coast to coast fastbreak. Nice.
-airball on a 3... ew.
-finishes at the rim through contact again.
-a bit out of control going t the rim, travels

Wendel Carter Jr:
-not terribly impressed, it's Q3 and this is first entry on him. Establishes good position in the post and scores under the basket.
-he establishes good position in the post most of the time, teammates don't see him.
-posting up again, scores again... is this what his role is? How does that project to the league? I need to see more of him. You can't live on postups in the league.
-good block on a postup.
-his whole game is post ups... everything is post up.
-stupid play... elbow to opponent's jaw... technical... didn't get ejected?
-O-reb and putback.

Miles Bridges:
-Starts the game with two exquisite blocks.
-Very smart on D, diagnosing what Duke wanted to do and came to help and swatted the ball from the back.
-Nice drive and kick... BTW, Michigan State is RUNNING!! First 3 baskets in transition... even after made baskets from Duke.
-drives on the catch, tries a fancy layup after switching hands... misses.
-does the exact same drive to the right on the catch, Allen ready for it, moves his feet draws a charge.
-Drains a right angle 3. Looked good and with NBA range.
-another weakside block from Bridges!
-Q3 starting with a Bridges drive, draws help from the big and dishes nicely for wide open dunk.
-Another right angle 3. Drains it.
-search dribble in the paint, turns around and misses the jumper... several possessions later misses a straight away 3.
-Bridges with another right angle 3. This seems like his sweet spot.
-great D on Grayson Allen - stayed with him, moved his feet and contested the shot at the rim, which missed.
-ill-advised shot from right angle 3 with defender in his face.
-finally got something in the paint. Drove and jump stepped into a hookey shot off the glass. Duke's zone has stopped his drive game for most of the game. He's been relegated to shooting 3s for the most part. Although... he just scored another 3 from the exact same spot so... maybe not too shabby of an alternative if he can keep it up.
-left angle 3 goes in! If he can convince teams he can shoot the 3 like this he might challenge for a top 5 pick.
-he's made a few questionable passes(turned turnovers) in traffic. Will be interesting to see if this persists going forward.
-at this point he's heatchecking... misses two ill-advised 3s in a row.


Jaren Jackson:
-gets the ball at the ft line with back to the basket, noone around him, turns round and flips a floatery thing at the basket... it goes in. Interesting.
-Rejects Bagley at the rim!
-defends Wendel Carter well in the post, blocks his shot and forces a turnover. Nice! He might have pretty good defensive potential.
-Wait wait wait wait... what? He just hit a 3. Duke is playing zone and MSU can't punish them for the last 10 minutes. Jackson just went to the corner and drained his first 3! Didn't expect that. Shot looked funky... a bit like his floater. Looked like a set shot with the shooting hand in front of his body and kinda low. It went in, but not sure it's something he will be good at long term.
-WTF!!! Another 3. Without hesitation. This time straight away 3. This form looks weird. I can't believe he can shoot great % from 3. It looks a bit like a mix of Rubio and Diaw shooting...
-stops transition for Duke by knocking the ball from Grayson's hands. Nice. Makes winning plays all the time.
-ANOTHER corner 3!!!! WOW! Ok, maybe he is a shooter after all?
-active in the paint, fights for rebounds, gets fouled. scores both FTs. It doesn't looks pretty but he doesn't miss... I don't think he's missed a jumper or a FT this game?? That's a great surprise.
-Nice high-low pass from Jackson.
-O-reb and put back dunk.
-he missed a couple of 3s... but he seems like he has the green light to take them.
-another good finish off the glass in the paint.

Grayson Allen is insane! WOW! I didn't start a section for him but he was tremendous all game long. Bucketgetter! I don't know how high he will get drafted but he can shoot the ball. 37 points! A lot of those were on tough contested shots. Are you kidding me?

THE END...

tl;dr: Grayson Allen is insane, great shooter and scorer. Surprise - Jaren jackson can shoot! Something to watch going forward. Might be a big + for his draft stock. If he's a great defensive big who can defend both in space and at the rim AND can shoot... that's not something that you find easily in the league. Duval - I expected to not like him... and I ended up kinda liking him. If only his shot was better... that thing clanks everywhere but into the hoop. Ugly. Wendel Carter - not sure about his place in the league, will have to watch more of him, he was active, but nothing jumped at me as his calling card in the league. Bridges - that shot has potential. He didn't show much besides the shot on offense though. I wanted to see more. His D is solid and weakside help was tremendous in several occasions. Bagley - too bad he got injured. His physical profile and athleticism are tremendous and on full display. He seems to have a bit of skill too. So much potential.
 
Knox looked really good in the second game. I'm still not sure I trust the shot, but I guess we'll see with time if he can hit it consistently. He was pretty much the only player that looked like a first round pick in that second game. Diallo's athleticism pops but he needs to improve his skill level considerably.
 
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