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Benji Burke
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I say this only since Mormonism is the predominate religion in Utah. I have heard on many or numerous times that out of state Mormons are different than the in state Utah Mormons, they do not like the more conservative views and holier than thou attitude or persona that can exist instate.
I'm not saying this is the case and even if it was that it is the majority of people, its just differences I have heard and somewhat seen in my 4yrs in living in Texas and 1 year in Colorado. I also would like to point out the South has some places with much more conservatism and oppressing religious values but they are more socially accepted and have been for lack of a better word are a cultural and social "norm" to people so it is accepted by the general public.
I'm not saying this is the case and even if it was that it is the majority of people, its just differences I have heard and somewhat seen in my 4yrs in living in Texas and 1 year in Colorado. I also would like to point out the South has some places with much more conservatism and oppressing religious values but they are more socially accepted and have been for lack of a better word are a cultural and social "norm" to people so it is accepted by the general public.
The Miller Group and the Utah Jazz staff is predominantly LDS. Outside of players and coaches it's about 90%.
Carbon13
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The mormons
Yeah, religion is weird. The way people's weird religious superstitions affect my life is generally the same most places I've been. I'd certainly like it if I didn't have to deal with the way religious culture imposes itself on me. And yeah, in Utah there is a HUGE religious institution that has a disproportionate amount of influence on our state and local governments. It's annoying. But it's not weird. To Archie's point, I'll take Mormons over southern Evangelicals any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Mormons are self-righteous snobs, but they seem to take pride simply in being better than everyone else and let us lowlifes live our low lives while only having to jump through a moderate amount of hoops for their amusement, apparently so they can see just how desperate we are to enjoy our vices.
Uhh. That's weird.
But it's not that much more weird than most other places I've been. And while it is weird and annoying, I'm still able to live my life pretty much how I want to live my life. Same as most places in the U.S..
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As much as Provo gets a bad rap for its no fun and restrictive ways all in the name of religion, there are places WAY worse in the south and have seen it first hand in Texas which isn't as bad as certain counties in other states.
I mean can we break down what's different here and just how much it turns our lives upside down?
In California I could buy liquor at Albertson's. In Utah I can only buy liquor at the state run liquor store. Weird? Yes. How it affects me? I have to go to a liquor store instead of a grocery store to buy liquor, and the state run liquor stores have crappy hours and are closed on Sunday so I have to plan ahead.
In California I could order a beer on draft that was greater than 4%abv. In Utah I have to get my beer in a bottle if it is greater than 4%abv. Weird? Yes. How it affects me? I have to get my greater than 4%abv beer in a bottle instead of on draft.
In California a larger percentage of restaurants, both fast food and sit-down, were open on Sunday. In Utah a lot of those same types of places are closed on Sunday. Weird? Yes. How it affects me? I have a smaller selection of places to eat on Sunday.
Should I go on?
In California I could buy liquor at Albertson's. In Utah I can only buy liquor at the state run liquor store. Weird? Yes. How it affects me? I have to go to a liquor store instead of a grocery store to buy liquor, and the state run liquor stores have crappy hours and are closed on Sunday so I have to plan ahead.
In California I could order a beer on draft that was greater than 4%abv. In Utah I have to get my beer in a bottle if it is greater than 4%abv. Weird? Yes. How it affects me? I have to get my greater than 4%abv beer in a bottle instead of on draft.
In California a larger percentage of restaurants, both fast food and sit-down, were open on Sunday. In Utah a lot of those same types of places are closed on Sunday. Weird? Yes. How it affects me? I have a smaller selection of places to eat on Sunday.
Should I go on?
The main thing that separates the Christian South from Mormon Utah is that in the South there are different denominations, so it's not all homogeneous. Also, the obvious thing, black people actually live in the South.
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Yeah, but NBA players arent comparing Provo to small hick towns in Texas. They are comparing SLC to other major NBA cities. SLC, by far, is the most restrictive and boring (at least when it comes to nightlife and cultural diversity).
And small hick towns are small hick towns everywhere, for the most part. As far as cities the size of Provo go, it's deserves it's rap.
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Carbon13
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Other intangible things. Dating in Utah was really tough I remember.
And as far as Benji's comments about Utah being a horrible place to end your career, i'm going to assume he is talking about branding yourself in Utah is ****ing hard. Just look at Hayward. The moment he left he became this huge story, his twitter following doubled over a couple of months. So he is saying what a lot of Jazz fans fear, Benji views Utah as a good place to start off because you will have a low profile and be given space to grow without pressure, but you will eventually outgrow Utah if you have any desire of becoming a bigger name.
Carbon13
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Completely agree with this.
Yeah, and that really sucks for us fans.
Like the only part that Benji said that was probably wrong is him being salty that Raul Neto was clearly better than Burke.
I remember Amin Elhassan of ESPN calling that Neto would eventually start over Burke after Burke's rookie year.
I remember Amin Elhassan of ESPN calling that Neto would eventually start over Burke after Burke's rookie year.
Jack Strop
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I'll agree with you on the "diversity" if by diversity you mean blacks (and I think that's the correct term now vs, African Americans). There are other minority groups well represented in SLC such as latinos and Pacific Islanders. Nightlife, I hear, is "lacking." I've heard of several different clubs, just not a bunch with naked women. But is the absence of strip clubs really a bad thing? Maybe you can't make it rain in the 801, but I'm sure you could still get a lap dance somewhere. Or use the internet to hook up (free or paid).
As for the rest, I agree liquor laws are strange. But Chick-fil-a is closed on Sundays in the NW, just as it is in SLC. I'll bet mall stores and restaurant chains are open on Sunday. Perhaps more mom-and-pop stores closed.
As for politics, generally LDS/Republicans are closely allied. But the SLC mayorship has been Democratic since 1976. Since I don't live in SL, I can't speak to the nature of all those Democrats, but several never struck me as overly conservative or closely aligned with the LDS faith. Sure, they might have dialogues with LDS groups, but I would think that would be just natural any place a large number of constituents belong to one particular religious or cultural group. SLC will never be LA or NYC. But it probably isn't a whole lot different from mid-major cities in the U.S.
Jack Strop
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Is that a fact or something you just made up? Pretty sure religion is a question that can never be brought up in a hiring conversation, nor would it ever be tracked like ethnicity.
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I think Benji is bitter because Quin actually required his son to improve his shot selection and play defense. There are plenty of teams which equate good by number of points scored. What's weird about Trey is that his shooting % increased substantially in WA (12 mins per, 46%/44%), yet they still didn't want him back as a back up. And he can't find an NBA job.
Benji,
Stop being a helicopter parent. Face it, your son just ain't all that. He can be a star in the GLeague or internationally. But he's a fringe NBA player. The sooner you all accept that, the happier you all will be. So scrap those plans for a huge mansion. You and Momma Ronda and baby Trey will have to settle for a scaled-down version.
Benji,
Stop being a helicopter parent. Face it, your son just ain't all that. He can be a star in the GLeague or internationally. But he's a fringe NBA player. The sooner you all accept that, the happier you all will be. So scrap those plans for a huge mansion. You and Momma Ronda and baby Trey will have to settle for a scaled-down version.