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Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

Handlogten's Heros said:
We should trade Rubio and favs for Griffin then :)

I’d like to have a redo on the Ricky trade and I’m not trading favors just to trade him. At very least I’d want expirings and a good second rounder or two. I don’t see a good suitor for Ricky and I think our management thinks we can fix him... I don’t doe.
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Honestly, based off what I've seen of the Nuggets, Denver would be a pretty awesome fit for Ricky.
 
Karadrys30 said:
We have no idea what either Favors or Gobert are capable of on offence. Because our system is based largely on wings and 3s. Favors and Gobert are mostly getting touches out past the top of the key and way outside scoring range. They are probably the 3rd option in the offence.
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If you're talking in terms of shot attempts, of course. But Favors/Gobert PNRs and really the backbone of the entire offense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think because Rubio is less tradeable. I’d be open to that but... just look how good the offense has been with stretch fours... that is where we need to go long term regardless of what we do with Rubio. I’m anxious to see what happen with Rudy and Ricky when Jerebko is the four.
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Or just bring Rubio off the bench and start Mitchell, Hood, Ingles, Favor's and Gobert.

Or just hope that when Gobert comes back we are hitting our open shots like we are now that we were getting but not making when he was in. The team is just figuring out the offense and each other now. Hopefully Gobert comes back hungry and tries to fit in and play hard.
 
MDAV28 said:
Honestly, based off what I've seen of the Nuggets, Denver would be a pretty awesome fit for Ricky.
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They have some cap issues starting next year and I think they’d want to dump some salary if they picked up Rubio.
 
MDAV28 said:
Sure I mean you'd have to match salaries in a deal. Mudiay and one of Chandler or Arthur could work.
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Right but they need deals that are actually lowering next year's salary... so Ricky plus expiring for Arthur & Faried or Chandler.

They are going to decline Jokic's option next year and make him a restricted FA and lock him up... without dumping a lot of salary that will put them in luxury tax hell.
 
Jack Strop said:
And it won't. Gobert would run into 3 opponents inside since Rubio isn't much of a threat. You let him shoot all day. He's not going to kill you. Opponents just need to cover Mitchell and Ingles and crowd the paint.

As well as Favors is playing, just wait until Gobert returns. The offense will grind to a halt again if Favs is the PF. The only way to make it work is if Favors plays the backup 5. Favors deserves to be traded to a contender.
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Fixed. There's only room for one sheriff in town.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Or just bring Rubio off the bench and start Mitchell, Hood, Ingles, Favor's and Gobert.

Or just hope that when Gobert comes back we are hitting our open shots like we are now that we were getting but not making when he was in. The team is just figuring out the offense and each other now. Hopefully Gobert comes back hungry and tries to fit in and play hard.
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I don't want the jazz to turn Mitchell into a pg. he's way more valuable as an attacking 2, besides he's not of a comb jack of all trades do everything kind of player. I don't want to limit his potential. Let him play stretches as pg but not full time.


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I think the Jazz's problem right now is that they have too many starters, and not enough stars. I mean let's be honest, Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Hood, Favors, and Gobert would be starting on MOST NBA teams right now. We've got 6 legitimate starters for 5 spots, and the problem is that 3 of the 6 are not shooters and can't really be on the court at the same time right now.
 
If Favors is cool with being a 25 mpg player. I think the Jazz can be really good if he starts, but just plays like the first 5 minutes of the 1st and 3rd then plays all the backup center minutes, and probably doesnt finish the 2nd/4th.
 
The problem with trading Favors is that you dont want to trade him just for the sake of trading him. Unless you are getting back an asset you actually want, it makes more sense to keep him. I'm guessing the Jazz will keep him until the deadline and hope someone really comes correct w/ an offer.
 
I think that Favors and Gobert have had plenty of time to show that they work together on the court. Unfortunately for Favors, I don't think that they do. We made our second round run in the playoffs with Favors OR Gobert on the bench for almost EVERY critical 4th quarter minute. When Gobert was on the bench, Favors helped us win the Clippers series and visa versa. Favors is a 17 - 10 center or a 8 - 6 backup power forward in this league. Teams that don't have rim protectors would be thrilled to have his services.

The Bucks are in a virtual 3 way tie for 8th, 9th, and 10th. With Bledsoe's contract, they are going to be hard pressed to resign Jabari. Henson is a pretty poor starting center with 3 years left on his contract. Jabari + Henson + Trade Exception for Favors + Exum makes some serious sense for both teams. Just saying...
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I think that Favors and Gobert have had plenty of time to show that they work together on the court. Unfortunately for Favors, I don't think that they do. We made our second round run in the playoffs with Favors OR Gobert on the bench for almost EVERY critical 4th quarter minute. When Gobert was on the bench, Favors helped us win the Clippers series and visa versa. Favors is a 17 - 10 center or a 8 - 6 backup power forward in this league. Teams that don't have rim protectors would be thrilled to have his services.

The Bucks are in a virtual 3 way tie for 8th, 9th, and 10th. With Bledsoe's contract, they are going to be hard pressed to resign Jabari. Henson is a pretty poor starting center with 3 years left on his contract. Jabari + Henson + Trade Exception for Favors + Exum makes some serious sense for both teams. Just saying...
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Favors was less than 100% during our playoff run. I do think they can successfully co-exist, but not with the sets that Snyder has run to date. If we want to live and die by the three then no, they cannot effectively play together for long stretches. However, with the Jazz injury history in general, I'd hate to lose Favors as he brings a different dynamic. I agree that spacing their minutes and playing a small amount together is the right choice. A starting unit with Gobert and a bench unit with Favors is a strong lineup on both ends (Udoh's limitations on offense hurt). The key is to mix up the sets when they are in together. More back cuts and off ball screens (by more I mean any really) instead of the on constant ball screen mismatch, try to get the D to contract and pass for a 3 snoozefest that is the NBA.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The problem with trading Favors is that you dont want to trade him just for the sake of trading him. Unless you are getting back an asset you actually want, it makes more sense to keep him. I'm guessing the Jazz will keep him until the deadline and hope someone really comes correct w/ an offer.
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Yeah his value is in that spot where it is definitely more than a second imo... but not worth a first unless it is the right situation. Milwaukee would be great, but they don't have expirings or a 2018 first.

The trade market will open up more on 12/15. I think if he isn't moved then he likely stays on the roster and they keep him a starter, but stagger minutes.

If all we got was a second we might actually do well to just keep his rights into FA next year because sign and trades will be a thing again because cap space is more scarce. We'd have to take salary back but it might produce an asset.

He's playing great... I've kind of given up on the tank... too many teams are dropping out of it and if it is the difference between 10 and 15 in draft order I'd rather just make the playoffs.

He's been a good soldier and has produced when called upon. He won't finish games under the staggering scenario, but I don't think he will check out on us.
 
I just don't want Jerebko out of the rotation when Rudy and Joe Johnson get back. I think Jonas can be a really good contributor and placeholder while we find the playmaking, stretch four of the future.
 
Frankly someone like Love paired with Gobert would be devastating. If we could swing a trade like that it would be worth it to move Favors.
 
I don't know what games or sport some of you are watching, but Gobert and Favors have always limited one another offensively. Always. The only other variables to consider are just how bad they limit each other and if the boost in defense is net positive.

The other thing to consider is the league is changing and getting smarter every single year. Not only are teams more adept and comfortable punishing teams going big, there's more data on how Favors and Gobert play together.

If the best the Jazz can get is a mid-late 2nd rounder, well, I guess go into FA with his Bird rights and see if there's a sign-and-trade scenario since there's a crunched market next offseason, but if the Jazz can get a top-35 pick and not take back salary beyond 2019, then just do it. Especially since Favors' value is going to suffer once he is again playing with Rubio and Gobert.

Once December 15th hits, the phones better be cooking.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
I think that Favors and Gobert have had plenty of time to show that they work together on the court. Unfortunately for Favors, I don't think that they do. We made our second round run in the playoffs with Favors OR Gobert on the bench for almost EVERY critical 4th quarter minute. When Gobert was on the bench, Favors helped us win the Clippers series and visa versa. Favors is a 17 - 10 center or a 8 - 6 backup power forward in this league. Teams that don't have rim protectors would be thrilled to have his services.

The Bucks are in a virtual 3 way tie for 8th, 9th, and 10th. With Bledsoe's contract, they are going to be hard pressed to resign Jabari. Henson is a pretty poor starting center with 3 years left on his contract. Jabari + Henson + Trade Exception for Favors + Exum makes some serious sense for both teams. Just saying...
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He put up 16 and 8 at PF when healthy next to Gobert pretty consistently. Even when we had Exum at PG his rookie year when he couldn't shoot threes he was putting up those numbers with Gobert at C.

Our offense is getting the same shots it got when Gobert was healthy. We are just hitting them now and our team is figuring things out. That is not because of Gobert being out, it is in spite of it. Maybe they will struggle again when Gobert comes back but I think they can figure it out. The biggest question with Favors is if he wants to stay and how much money it will cost.
 
I honestly think Favs is a better PnR player out of the two. But if Favs likes it here and is okay being the back up center. Then sign him up!


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