Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you asked me six games ago I would say we almost definitely make an in-season trade. I think there is a real chance we don't...

We could likely move Rubio, AB, or Favs for some minor assets, but unless Favs nets a first or a couple decent 2nds with expiring salary then I'd rather just roll forward with him. I think AB has legit turned a corner... he won't always be this hot, but his defense has improved and lost in this hot streak... AB has 10 assists in the last 5 games to only 2 turnovers. So he is passing and creating without the mental mistakes that plagued him.

Rubio is a maybe... I think he's great for the team culture and has helped Donovan quite a bit. I think he's useful, but that we could likely get away with playing Neto and DM at the 1. When Hood comes back Neto or AB loses time... I think they've earned time... I saw on another board a fan of the Suns would give Monroe (expiring) and a couple seconds for him... that would be tempting. Just a fan board though... who knows what real value he'd have.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you asked me six games ago I would say we almost definitely make an in-season trade. I think there is a real chance we don't...

We could likely move Rubio, AB, or Favs for some minor assets, but unless Favs nets a first or a couple decent 2nds with expiring salary then I'd rather just roll forward with him. I think AB has legit turned a corner... he won't always be this hot, but his defense has improved and lost in this hot streak... AB has 10 assists in the last 5 games to only 2 turnovers. So he is passing and creating without the mental mistakes that plagued him.

Rubio is a maybe... I think he's great for the team culture and has helped Donovan quite a bit. I think he's useful, but that we could likely get away with playing Neto and DM at the 1. When Hood comes back Neto or AB loses time... I think they've earned time... I saw on another board a fan of the Suns would give Monroe (expiring) and a couple seconds for him... that would be tempting. Just a fan board though... who knows what real value he'd have.

He's a good rebounder for his size, too. I think that's what might unlock his ability to play some 4.

He rebounds out of his area and gets his hands on a lot of balls. He has skill, but he also has the "I had to earn my way into the league, so I'm a dawg" to him.

 

[LoPo]

I like Parker, but we have really good options at the 4 that might not cripple us financially like Parker could. Jerebko, Thabo, and Royce are good options there...

I know none of them have the name brand like Parker, but I think they can be effective (maybe even more effective) in our system. Royce I am very bullish on... the others are pretty much known commodities. I think Royce can be a playmaking/stretch four and we have him on a bargain deal. Dude is tough as hell, plays hard, and just fills all the gaps you need a guy to.

Good post. I agree.The way I see it, we are a really good offensive piece away from being truly legit.

If we decide to go with Jerekbo, Thabo and and Royce at PF, we have to become really strong somewhere along the perimeter offensively. Ingles is complimentary just like the trio we would rely on at PF.

So we have Mitchell set for PG/SG. So this all means we need a stud at PG/SG to pair with DM. Is that player, assumed be a starter, Exum? Hood? Burks is perfect off the bench.

If we dont believe in Hood, what do we do? If we don't believe in Exum either, what do we do?

This whole situation is so crazy. Hood is about to get paid. So is Favors. And maybe Exum too. If we don't act, we lose at least 1 of not 2 for absolutely nothing. I'm really lost for what we should do. So many options.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Good post. I agree.The way I see it, we are a really good offensive piece away from being truly legit.

If we decide to go with Jerekbo, Thabo and and Royce at PF, we have to become really strong somewhere along the perimeter offensively. Ingles is complimentary just like the trio we would rely on at PF.

So we have Mitchell set for PG/SG. So this all means we need a stud at PG/SG to pair with DM. Is that player, assumed be a starter, Exum? Hood? Burks is perfect off the bench.

If we dont believe in Hood, what do we do? If we don't believe in Exum either, what do we do?

This whole situation is so crazy. Hood is about to get paid. So is Favors. And maybe Exum too. If we don't act, we lose at least 1 of not 2 for absolutely nothing. I'm really lost for what we should do. So many options.

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I'd kick the tires on a Hood trade if I though I could get an unprotected first.

After watching Exum in pre-season and seeing the redemption years AB and Favs are having I have faith in our training staff and development staff that Exum/DM backcourt could be the future. Both guys can bend the defense, pass, and defend. If we keep Hood we have Hood, Ingles, AB that can do some different things on the wing. We are a different team and I don't think we need a high volume guy.

I think DM can score 25+ ppg and I think adding another 20 ppg guy has diminishing returns, unless they are like Klay, Steph, or KD and can space the floor.

Favs may leave for nothing, but he might also need a sign and trade to facilitate his FA contract. If Milwaukee knows Parker is getting a big offer they might be inclined to send him to us via sign and trade for Favs. Right now Favs gets us a second round pick... managing him leaves us open to the chance that a contender loses a key piece and gets more desperate. Also lets us facilitate a sign and trade. We could likely get a second rounder, but I'd rather keep him than just get another second rounder. We don't have roster spots for all these guys.

 

[Magic Spray]

Favors must be in the long-term plans.

The old adage "Two is one, one is none."

Meaning the Jazz better have total redundancy built in to their roster at every position until the injury history somehow changes.

 

[Aneurism]

Favors must be in the long-term plans.

The old adage "Two is one, one is none."

Meaning the Jazz better have total redundancy built in to their roster at every position until the injury history somehow changes.

The truth is at least for now, Udoh and Jerebko can be placeholders if Favors leaves.. (also we still have JJ for this year). And then there is Bradley although he doesn't seem ready for backup minutes just yet.

I can't see us affording Favors long term...as much as I'd like for him to stay.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The truth is at least for now, Udoh and Jerebko can be placeholders if Favors leaves.. (also we still have JJ for this year). And then there is Bradley although he doesn't seem ready for backup minutes just yet.

I can't see us affording Favors long term...as much as I'd like for him to stay.

As long as he's worth his salary, he'd be a huge asset that you could trade later if you really wanted to. But right now, his value is hard to place since he's expiring.

 

[Magic Spray]

As long as he's worth his salary, he'd be a huge asset that you could trade later if you really wanted to. But right now, his value is hard to place since he's expiring.

Plus he looks so happy this season. ****, let's see what this squad can do.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not sure we'd want to, but if we really want cap space next year (not sure there is anything we could really get) would you do Favs+Ricky for Monroe and Phoenix's second rounder in 2018?

Monroe plays backup center and is the offensive option... its definitely a downgrade but he will accept the role. We get off of Ricky's contract and collect a second rounder (phoenix has like 5-6 picks in next year's draft... likely need to consolidate).

They are under the cap so the money works... I think it would create a trade exception.

With Ricky off the books we can poke around the free agent market and if we find a taker we can renounce Exum's cap hold (could still sign him, just would need to use space).

 

[hgb]

If you asked me six games ago I would say we almost definitely make an in-season trade. I think there is a real chance we don't...

We could likely move Rubio, AB, or Favs for some minor assets, but unless Favs nets a first or a couple decent 2nds with expiring salary then I'd rather just roll forward with him. I think AB has legit turned a corner... he won't always be this hot, but his defense has improved and lost in this hot streak... AB has 10 assists in the last 5 games to only 2 turnovers. So he is passing and creating without the mental mistakes that plagued him.

Rubio is a maybe... I think he's great for the team culture and has helped Donovan quite a bit. I think he's useful, but that we could likely get away with playing Neto and DM at the 1. When Hood comes back Neto or AB loses time... I think they've earned time... I saw on another board a fan of the Suns would give Monroe (expiring) and a couple seconds for him... that would be tempting. Just a fan board though... who knows what real value he'd have.

There's absolutely no way we're going to make any moves that makes us clearly worse, like dumping key(ish) players for future picks. I'd be shocked if that happens.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The truth is at least for now, Udoh and Jerebko can be placeholders if Favors leaves.. (also we still have JJ for this year). And then there is Bradley although he doesn't seem ready for backup minutes just yet.

I can't see us affording Favors long term...as much as I'd like for him to stay.

Jerebko, Sefolosha and Udoh have contracts we can opt out of next year. JJ is expiring this year.

I would rather keep the best players and the younger players. We can make room for Favor's if we want him and he wants to stay. You can move good players later as well.

Unless Jazz make a good trade for Favor's they should try and keep him. You shouldn't let good talent walk or be traded for pennies on the dollar because of salary cap reasons.

 

[NUMBERICA]

There's absolutely no way we're going to make any moves that makes us clearly worse, like dumping key(ish) players for future picks. I'd be shocked if that happens.

Did you just say Rubio is a key player? Cuz he can't share the floor with the team's two best bigs simultaneously and is less effective at generating team offense than Mitchell.

In other words, Rubio isn't a key player and he's exorbitantly overpaid for what he contributes (a net-negative asset on this roster).

 

[NUMBERICA]

Not sure we'd want to, but if we really want cap space next year (not sure there is anything we could really get) would you do Favs+Ricky for Monroe and Phoenix's second rounder in 2018?

Monroe plays backup center and is the offensive option... its definitely a downgrade but he will accept the role. We get off of Ricky's contract and collect a second rounder (phoenix has like 5-6 picks in next year's draft... likely need to consolidate).

They are under the cap so the money works... I think it would create a trade exception.

With Ricky off the books we can poke around the free agent market and if we find a taker we can renounce Exum's cap hold (could still sign him, just would need to use space).

That might be fine if the Jazz needed a 4 or 5. But I wouldn't play Monroe over really any of the Jazz's bigs right now. Furthermore, unless the Jazz know who they're targeting and they can get sufficient cap space to pursue them, I don't really see the point. And 2018 is garbage for free agency and this team IIRC.

I'm more interested in being in a position to throw the max at Porzingis in 2019 (RFA, which they will match [but the heat would be on]) and 2020 (if he takes the QO which his camp has already explicitly stated is something they would consider). 2019 expirings become important in that scenario, and Rubio would still be a decent piece to keep around, even if overpriced. There's a chance he settles in and becomes a net-positive asset as well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jerebko, Sefolosha and Udoh have contracts we can opt out of next year. JJ is expiring this year.

I would rather keep the best players and the younger players. We can make room for Favor's if we want him and he wants to stay. You can move good players later as well.

Unless Jazz make a good trade for Favor's they should try and keep him. You shouldn't let good talent walk or be traded for pennies on the dollar because of salary cap reasons.

It would be about cap space which might allow us to acquire talent, but more so about roles and priorities... I'd like to keep Neto and think he can be a bargain again next year, Jonas should be starting and we should move full tilt into what our offense should be, picks turn into players and are a low cost lotto ticket... we need more lotto tickets.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That might be fine if the Jazz needed a 4 or 5. But I wouldn't play Monroe over really any of the Jazz's bigs right now. Furthermore, unless the Jazz know who they're targeting and they can get sufficient cap space to pursue them, I don't really see the point. And 2018 is garbage for free agency and this team IIRC.

I'm more interested in being in a position to throw the max at Porzingis in 2019 (RFA, which they will match [but the heat would be on]) and 2020 (if he takes the QO which his camp has already explicitly stated is something they would consider). 2019 expirings become important in that scenario, and Rubio would still be a decent piece to keep around, even if overpriced. There's a chance he settles in and becomes a net-positive asset as well.

I agree... there are very few gettable FAs that I like. I do think Ricky is still a difficult fit and his time needs to be marginalized. Neto has looked fantastic too (he looks a lot faster this year) and his shot is consistent. He's not the defender Ricky is at all, but he isn't miserable on that end.

Opening up space isn't a priority then, but I might try and see if we could move Ricky for a better fitting part and maybe a pick (or pick swap) or something of that ilk... just so we don't have someone we have to manage and keep happy even though the team might be better served playing other guys.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There is going to be a playing time issue when Hood gets back. Joe Jesus will want minutes when he gets back.

Royce can likely fall out of the rotation and be okay with it, but I'd like to get a better idea of what we have there. Don't have to move Ricky and Favs though.

 

[Ron Mexico]

It would be about cap space which might allow us to acquire talent, but more so about roles and priorities... I'd like to keep Neto and think he can be a bargain again next year, Jonas should be starting and we should move full tilt into what our offense should be, picks turn into players and are a low cost lotto ticket... we need more lotto tickets.

I disagree. I dont want to trade good players for crap shoot picks in the draft. I would rather keep the talent. Besides future picks are unlikely to fit in with our timeline anyways.

Besides no matter what we do we wont create enough cap space to sign a good player. What we can do is keep our good players. I would prioritize our best players first. Favors is better than Neto or Jonas. But we dont have to pick between them. We can try and keep both, if we are forced to pick for some reason than I would pick Favors over those players though. The best players help you win.

We can keep our entire roster next year and be fine. Chances are we make some changes but I would rather keep this group in tact and see what they can do.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree. I dont want to trade good players for crap shoot picks in the draft. I would rather keep the talent. Besides future picks are unlikely to fit in with our timeline anyways.

Besides no matter what we do we wont create enough cap space to sign a good player. What we can do is keep our good players. I would prioritize our best players first. Favors is better than Neto or Jonas. But we dont have to pick between them. We can try and keep both, if we are forced to pick for some reason than I would pick Favors over those players though. The best players help you win.

We can keep our entire roster next year and be fine. Chances are we make some changes but I would rather keep this group in tact and see what they can do.

Our three best players (or 3/4 if you think Favs is better than Hood) came from "crap shoot" draft picks. Pick the right guy and they can be a major contributor in a year or two. I don't think Favs will want to be platooned long term... not about money... its about role.

We also can create enough cap space to sign a good player by simply getting off of Ricky's salary.

Good players help you win, but more and more we are seeing in the NBA that fit is important. It's part of the big reason GSW are so friggin good. The wolves have a lot of individual talent and so does OKC but the fit isn't ideal and players aren't buying into the roles that lead to the most team success.

We also can't keep our entire roster... we have incoming picks that will need spots. I like all these guys, but eventually some of the parts will be switched out. Build around DM and Rudy... find ideal pieces to fit those guys. Find value wherever you can and maybe we can get lucky again.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Our three best players (or 3/4 if you think Favs is better than Hood) came from "crap shoot" draft picks. Pick the right guy and they can be a major contributor in a year or two. I don't think Favs will want to be platooned long term... not about money... its about role.

We also can create enough cap space to sign a good player by simply getting off of Ricky's salary.

Good players help you win, but more and more we are seeing in the NBA that fit is important. It's part of the big reason GSW are so friggin good. The wolves have a lot of individual talent and so does OKC but the fit isn't ideal and players aren't buying into the roles that lead to the most team success.

We also can't keep our entire roster... we have incoming picks that will need spots. I like all these guys, but eventually some of the parts will be switched out. Build around DM and Rudy... find ideal pieces to fit those guys. Find value wherever you can and maybe we can get lucky again.

I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

Favors was not our draft pick we traded for him. Regardless we would trade him for a pick and hope he turns out as good as Favors in 5-6 years that does not fit our timeline. Yes picks can turn out but they can also just as likely or more likely turn into Burke, Lyles or Kanter.

Besides Favors not being drafted by us those 3 other players listed were not lottery picks. Our team seems better at drafting end or mid draft anyways. We have the talent to compete now. We have some star power and potential star power. No reason to dump that talent and start over.

Mitchell is the very very very rare rookie that helps win early in his career. Most players take years to develop such as Hayward, Favors and so on.

We can create room if we dump a bunch of our players but I dont see anyone that we can reasonably sign that will be better than the talent we would dump. It would take a lot more than just dumping Ricky to create room. We would have to not re-sign Favors and let players like Hood, Exum, Sefolosha, Jerebko and Udoh go to get reasonably under the cap enough to sign a free agent out right.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

Favors was not our draft pick we traded for him. Regardless we would trade him for a pick and hope he turns out as good as Favors in 5-6 years that does not fit our timeline. Yes picks can turn out but they can also just as likely or more likely turn into Burke, Lyles or Kanter.

Besides Favors not being drafted by us those 3 other players listed were not lottery picks. Our team seems better at drafting end or mid draft anyways. We have the talent to compete now. We have some star power and potential star power. No reason to dump that talent and start over.

Mitchell is the very very very rare rookie that helps win early in his career. Most players take years to develop such as Hayward, Favors and so on.

We can create room if we dump a bunch of our players but I dont see anyone that we can reasonably sign that will be better than the talent we would dump. It would take a lot more than just dumping Ricky to create room. We would have to not re-sign Favors and let players like Hood, Exum, Sefolosha, Jerebko and Udoh go to get reasonably under the cap enough to sign a free agent out right.

Ignore the cap space aspect... btw moving Ricky and not re-signing Favs allows us to get to max cap space easily by managing Exum's cap hold. I honestly don't think there is anyone worth creating space for... so just ignore that.

I do think we should look to acquire more picks... I was happy you mentioned our success on mid level picks... we don't need to acquire lotto picks, but give ourselves more chances to acquire great talent.

Fit 100% matters... Favs and Gobert don't work long term... The run we are on should show that we can use less talented players that space the floor and get a huge improvement.

Managing the Favs, Gobert, Ricky balance is going to be tough... I doubt we bring all three back next year. Time will tell, but I'd be willing to bet Favs isn't willing to come back next year unless he is starting and playing starter minutes. Those three overlapped like 6 total minutes last night and it was clear Quin wanted it out ASAP.