Archie Moses
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Saying he was all NBA second team has nothing to do with what I've said nor counters any points I've made.
Btw, I'm completely relaxed, dude.
Rudy Gobert has got to go
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Btw, I'm completely relaxed, dude.
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I'll know you're relaxed when you finally admit you're wrong about something.
Archie Moses
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What am I wrong on, EM?
Edit: I just read the Wiz draft picks incorrectly because they were confusing. I have no problem admiting when I'm wrong.
You're hate of Gobert.
Yes, hate. The obsession and tone of your posts can't be masked by simply stating the contrary ("I don't hate Gobert but he's less than worthless and here's 200 posts about it.").
Archie Moses
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Can you quote one of my posts that show my said hate of Gobert. You might wanna skip the half a dozen times I've called him my favorite player on the roster.
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That Gobert absolutely makes the team worse, that the Jazz should look into trading him, and then hammering on the point for I'm sure what is in the hundreds of posts now.
In other words, I've said what I need to say and your response to it proves my point.
Archie Moses
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1) It's hard to completely ignore that Gobert is one of the reason this roster struggles, especially with his visible decline in play.(Now, if you wanna talk about hate, I'm really close there with Rubio. Actually, I ****ing hate that guy on the roster.) Rubio, Favors and Gobert starting is, not even joking, some of the worst offensive basketball I've ever seen. Stating Gobert isn't untouchable and having a discussion about it is no grounds for the level of how bad people are offended in this thread and the insults and name calling. It's Jazzfanz 101 though.
2) Responding to your post does not prove your point that I hate Gobert. I do not hate Gobert. Someone who thinks someone is tradeable does not mean they hate them. There is zero logic to back that way of thinking.
3) If you don't like my posts, put me on ignore. I'm not going to stop posting or responding because of any amount of **** I get on here.
4) Quantify how often you're an angry guy.
Dali
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Trading Rudy right now, when he needs the teams/coaches' support more than ever, does it not have knock-on effect on how we're viewed as a franchise?
First sign of trouble and we ship out our best player. As the smallest market team, where we kind of have to fight tooth and nail to keep our stars, how would other stars view this, and how would they be motivated to sign here?
We're not Boston where we can do as they did with IT and still have players foaming at the mouth to sign.
If you're for trading Rudy, give examples of a trade where we get enough back to even consider it. And don't say Love, you're going nowhere with him, unless you're pairing him with Rudy, maybe.
First sign of trouble and we ship out our best player. As the smallest market team, where we kind of have to fight tooth and nail to keep our stars, how would other stars view this, and how would they be motivated to sign here?
We're not Boston where we can do as they did with IT and still have players foaming at the mouth to sign.
If you're for trading Rudy, give examples of a trade where we get enough back to even consider it. And don't say Love, you're going nowhere with him, unless you're pairing him with Rudy, maybe.
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Show me where someone suggested trady rudy gobert for durant, lebron, harden, etc and was met with a cold reception.
I said that i dont think anyone considers gobert untouchable. For the right player or right combination of players im pretty sure every jazz fan alive would trade gobert.
What if the warriors offered the jazz durant and steph curry for gobert. Do you really think any jazz fan would be like "no thanks, rudy is untouchable"? Hell no. Every one of us would do that trade.
Archie Moses
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Tell me, do you guys cry or scream at the local AM radio when they talk about the Jazz moving ahead without Favors and or Gobert cause the game has changed so much the last 4 or so years. I keep hearing people talk about it and suggest it on multiple local shows.
Archie Moses
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Gobert for Davis. The trade works. Both have 4 years on their contract. Davis can play the 4 and the 5.
Lol. Jk. One team would be crazy if they did this trade. That said, I like your post and you make a great point about what it would say about the Jazz if they traded Gobert.
Dali
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That trade is horribly tilted to one team...
So unless they include Cousins, Jrue and all of their picks, we hang up the phone! ...lol
sahlensguy
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Post #51 for starters.
Jack Strop
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No argument from me about the Favors, Gobert, Rubio lineup. That's now on Quin.
But why has Gobert struggled this season just one year removed from an historically efficient season on offense and defense?
Could it be:
a) Favors was out of the lineup due to his constant injuries (50 games) and mostly did not play with Gobert (only 39 games started).
b) Gobert played a lot with 4 other shooters on the court (Johnson, Hayward, Hill and Hood or Ingles).
c) Injuries.
Gobert HAS looked out of sync, even when "healthy." But I might attribute that more to a PG (Rubio) who can't shoot and didn't understand a bounce pass to a 7ft'er is not a good play. That drove me INSANE in the early part of the season.
But the biggest problem is floor spacing. If Favors was putting up big numbers with our without Rudy on the floor, we could say Gobert is the problem. But he doesn't. As you mentioned, it's some of the worst offense ever when that trio plays. Well, unless Ricky is having his 1 out of 7 good shooting games.
The clear solution is to trade Favors. Trade Gobert? OK. Now you have told an UNRESTRICTED free agent he's going to be the key inside for the Jazz. If I'm Favors' agent, I immediately tell Lindsey Favs is worth $30m/per as the starting 5. And Lindsey is backed into a corner because the alternative is Udoh, Bradley and Jerebko. Or you find another 5 on the market and you've lost Gobert AND Favors, since there's not a chance in hell you sign Derrick for $25M-$30M. And that doesn't even factor in his history of non-impact injuries.
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I looked at post 51. All it says is a single word. Yes.
It was a post from cy. If you want to find out if cy thinks rudy is untouchable then ask him if he would tade rudy for lebron, or durant, or harden, or steph, or kahwi, or davis, etc etc.
I'm pretty sure that there is someone in the league that cy would trade rudy for.
No one thinks that Gobert is the best player in the nba. No one thinks he is untouchable.
Don't be silly.
Why argue with people who never played organized basketball and consistently provide moronic takes on the game? Jazzfanz 101 is to make Jazz fans seem the most uninformed fan base in the nation. Anyone who can't admit that a healthy Favors makes Gobert expendable as a serious trade chip is a basketball dunce, plain and simple.
Oh, and whoever was complaining that Gobert has bad hands and praising Favors for the same clearly hasn't been watching games. Favors is dropping stupid easy passes to catch left and right. Gobert isn't.
