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Finally a deal with some legs! Maybe if Phil was around he’d go for this.
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I honestly think we need to just look 3-4 years down the road as our “window” and most decisions need to be made inside that box.
Donovan will be our best player and Rudy is a tremendous building block. With the way the game is going I don’t see rudy giving us the Hayward treatment... in part because the big man market is much more limited.
We seem to make some decisions purely based on short term win now and want to hold into this mid tier build for the future but still make the playoffs mode.
This season is a success because of DM but I’d really like to make it a homerun by tanking for another blue chip asset and get some “lotto scratchers” that could turn into cheap contributors like Hood or building blocks like Rudy.
Donovan will be our best player and Rudy is a tremendous building block. With the way the game is going I don’t see rudy giving us the Hayward treatment... in part because the big man market is much more limited.
We seem to make some decisions purely based on short term win now and want to hold into this mid tier build for the future but still make the playoffs mode.
This season is a success because of DM but I’d really like to make it a homerun by tanking for another blue chip asset and get some “lotto scratchers” that could turn into cheap contributors like Hood or building blocks like Rudy.
LoPo
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I understand, but we have to start somewhere.
Washington is in a massive bind. They are projected to be in the luxury this year ($5.8 over) and next year (an estimated $10+ over if you include the necessary minimum contracts). Because of their situation, Mahinmi is considered one of the worst contacts in the NBA. He is set to make around $16 million this year and the next two years. Many think his contract is untradeable. Many have speculated that the Lakers might trade Deng because he also has a bad contract. However, compared to Washington, Deng's contract is not as toxic. Deng might keep LA from getting two full max contract players, but his contract is not leading to the massive luxury and repeater luxury tax area like Mahinmi is doing to Washington.
So if we can find a way to take Mahinmi off Washington's hands AND help them avoid the luxury tax this year, we can ask for a whole lot in return. I think Rubio is a realistic trade piece for them, but they might prefer an expiring like JoeJ or Favors. If we give them an expiring, they more than likely avoid the luxury this year and next then can keep Oubre when he needs to be re-signed in 2019. So the question is, would they trade Oubre? Not sure. Do we want Oubre? Not sure. But if we gave them an expiring for Mahinmi while getting them out of the luxury, that should be worth numerous unprotected first round picks.
Yes, please explain the idea to the guy you got it from.
LoPo
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Lol. Okay.... Yeah, because I don't look at every trade angle to see what can benefit our Jazz. Are you serious?
HH is certainly the first to propose Favors for Mahinmi on this site and I know you've read them. So yeah, it's funny to me that you're explaining the trade to him.
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Back to the actual topic regarding Washington. Another idea:
Favors, Udoh and the newly signed McCree
for
Oubre, Mahinmi, Frazier (expiring), Mac (nonguaranteed), and an unprotected 1st or two.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yat3ujhr
Washington gets the Mahinmi dump, the luxury tax savings, and actually two guys to help the playoff push this year.
We get the promising young Oubre and a first rounder or two.
#1 - I don't throw ideas out there for one person.
#2 - Since the ideas are for anyone to chew on, I'm not explaining it to any one person unless they ask.
#3 - I didn't know we had trade idea rights.
#4 - It's either a trade idea or a concept about trading with a potential trade partner.
#5 - Who gives two ***** about all that. Either say you like the trade, don't like it, or question how realistic it could be.
Favors, Udoh and the newly signed McCree
for
Oubre, Mahinmi, Frazier (expiring), Mac (nonguaranteed), and an unprotected 1st or two.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yat3ujhr
Washington gets the Mahinmi dump, the luxury tax savings, and actually two guys to help the playoff push this year.
We get the promising young Oubre and a first rounder or two.
#1 - I don't throw ideas out there for one person.
#2 - Since the ideas are for anyone to chew on, I'm not explaining it to any one person unless they ask.
#3 - I didn't know we had trade idea rights.
#4 - It's either a trade idea or a concept about trading with a potential trade partner.
#5 - Who gives two ***** about all that. Either say you like the trade, don't like it, or question how realistic it could be.
Your trade is unrealistic, and you patronized someone about their own idea. That's a whole bunch of bizarre/funny/crappy.
But please, continue with how the guy that acquired Rudy Gobert with a mid-2nd/cash and Donovan Mitchell with the 24th pick and Trey Lyles is so awful, and he should be listening to you, the mighty LoPo of Jazzfanz.
But please, continue with how the guy that acquired Rudy Gobert with a mid-2nd/cash and Donovan Mitchell with the 24th pick and Trey Lyles is so awful, and he should be listening to you, the mighty LoPo of Jazzfanz.
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I think for Washington the compromise would be two unprotected picks and they’d need to lose 6M in salary this year and get out of luxury tax next year. They need to avoid the repeater tax.
I think what they end up doing is moving OP Jr. in a year or so depending on How Oubre develops.
I don’t think the jazz do something this drastic and I think Washington needs to work with a team under the cap so they can drop more than 5M in salary this year.
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Some Rubio trades... Ricky to Phoenix for Jared Dudley and their second round pick. This is prolly the least sexy trade ever but... Jared is a good nba role player... will accept thebench mentor role... and he is owed 5M less next year.
Good second round picks come so much cheaper than firsts... not fantastic value but we move on.
Good second round picks come so much cheaper than firsts... not fantastic value but we move on.
LoPo
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Very good, fair points. Honestly, I'm not as high on Oubre as some which makes me pause on the whole idea.
Ideally for Washington, they dump unnecessary players to get under the luxury this year. I just don't know how many unnecessary players they have when they intend on trying to contend for the East right now. Would they simply dump to Morris to the Bulls or another team they have room? Does it make sense for Washington to dump a rotation player and probably a 1st to do it? If I was a Washington fan, I would probably send out a ton of firsts to dump Mahinmi, keep Oubre and try to lure another solid vet or vets this summer. Just going to be really hard to dump Mahinmi AND keep Oubre.
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I'm all for that trade. The Suns actually have 3 first rounders this summer and 4 second rounders. I think it's realistic, if they have interest in Rubio, for them to send us 2 of their 2nd rounders.
That’s a good trade.
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elan_prodigy
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Like this. Id even send our 2nd rounder to move him.
Piso
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The Suns' biggest problem is the spacing. In their starting lineup, Warren, Chriss and Chandler can't shoot 3P. I doubt that Rubio interests them.
LoPo
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When Gobert returns, we give all of Favors' and Udoh's minutes to Gobert and Bradley. Play Jerekbo and O'Neal more.
JoeJ - expiring $10.5
Favors - expiring $12
Rubio - $14.1 this year, $14.8 next year
Udoh - $3.2 this year, nonguaranteed $3.36 next year
What can we get for all that?
JoeJ - expiring $10.5
Favors - expiring $12
Rubio - $14.1 this year, $14.8 next year
Udoh - $3.2 this year, nonguaranteed $3.36 next year
What can we get for all that?
karl malone
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IMO the core moving forward should be:
Exum (Too early to give up on)
Mitchell
Ingles/Hood (If price is reasonable)
?
Gobert/Bradley (If he pans out)
Aggressively target Jabari Parker as a RFA, flip all other assets outside of 1st's (which in return should improve this year's pick), & draft bpa.
Mitchell's ability to play the 1 means we wouldn't be overly reliant on Exum's development, while giving DL the flexibility to draft the best prospect available, regardless of position (outside of a 5), with what should be a top 10 pick in a seemingly good draft class.
I understand this isn't the prototypical "Jazz way" & that fans are anxious to return to our consistent winning ways but Mitchell & Gobert are both legitimate championship caliber building blocks & I truly believe we are a single impact player from not only contending but possibly even winning a championship (if everything breaks right).
I do think Mitchell may eventually have the ability to attract high-end FA's in the future but small-market teams need to take advantage of all potential opportunities to acquire elite talent. And a lost season with several expendable, reasonably valuable trade assets that are currently keeping us in the playoff picture is exactly the type of opportunity we can't afford to pass up.
Mitchell (as well as Gobert) was a blessing in disgise. With the right moves & some luck, I honestly believe we have a legitimate chance to eventually win an NBA title.
Exum (Too early to give up on)
Mitchell
Ingles/Hood (If price is reasonable)
?
Gobert/Bradley (If he pans out)
Aggressively target Jabari Parker as a RFA, flip all other assets outside of 1st's (which in return should improve this year's pick), & draft bpa.
Mitchell's ability to play the 1 means we wouldn't be overly reliant on Exum's development, while giving DL the flexibility to draft the best prospect available, regardless of position (outside of a 5), with what should be a top 10 pick in a seemingly good draft class.
I understand this isn't the prototypical "Jazz way" & that fans are anxious to return to our consistent winning ways but Mitchell & Gobert are both legitimate championship caliber building blocks & I truly believe we are a single impact player from not only contending but possibly even winning a championship (if everything breaks right).
I do think Mitchell may eventually have the ability to attract high-end FA's in the future but small-market teams need to take advantage of all potential opportunities to acquire elite talent. And a lost season with several expendable, reasonably valuable trade assets that are currently keeping us in the playoff picture is exactly the type of opportunity we can't afford to pass up.
Mitchell (as well as Gobert) was a blessing in disgise. With the right moves & some luck, I honestly believe we have a legitimate chance to eventually win an NBA title.