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Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight?

Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight

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Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
DX Twitter updates as of recent are talking about scouts not being blow away by Kanter, scouts aren't as impressed with fluidity or post moves as they thought they would be.
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Some how i see a neg rep comming here for you from sepanol and i will in turn recieve one from colton for complaining about sepanol. The deal to me is that kanter is severely overrated. I dont like anything about him for the jazz. Irving, williams or knight woul be huge for this team.
 
colton said:
Absolutely they have to consider that. From the Cav's perspective, what's a better draft:

A) Irving & Vesely/Leonard/Biyombo/Valanciunas/whoever

or

B) Kanter & Knight?

While I would probably go with option A, you've got to think the Cavs will need to look long and hard at option B.
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It's a bit unprecedented, but could happen especially with Irving skipping the athletic tests.
 
green said:
Do you think Irving is worth the #3 pick? And if so, how is he better than Knight? They have nearly identical stats, and Knight is younger, bigger, and did it against much, much better competition and over 38 games instead of 11. How can some say Kantor is overrated because he hasn't played and then say Irving is leaps and bounds better than Knight.

I'm not saying you should love Knight, but if you don't love Knight, I don't see how you can love Irving.
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Where in my post did I mention Irving? I'm confused as to why you're talking about irving.
 
You were talking about drafting a pg with the #3 pick and how Knight would be a bad choice. I want to know if you think Irving is worth the #3 pick, and if you do, what makes him worth the #3 pick and not Knight?
 
green said:
If you look at Knight's stats compared to Irving's, they are almost identical, except for shooting percentages, but remember, Irving achieved those amazing percentages against a much, much weaker schedule and only in 11 games. Knight put up Irving numbers over 38 games, better competition, etc.

My point is, don't overestimate Irving and don't underestimate Knight.
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The gap is ****ing huge, dude. And don't try to pretend efficiency doesn't matter.
 
The Thriller said:
If he isn't as athletic as Rose or Westbrook then he certainly isn't worth the #3 pick in my book.

Rose is a franchise player. #3 players are franchise guys. Not Raymond Felton. Which is who Knight reminds me a lot of. Not very athletic, but good enough. Not a great shooter, but good enough. Not nearly the ball handler or passer that Dwill, CP3, Kidd, or Nash are.

People are now talking about him being Jason Terry... And saying that Jason Terry on our team would be a great thing.

I agree. jason terry would be awesome.

But not at #3 folks. I guess this is the point that most pro-Knight people seem to miss.

We're picking #3. And even in a terrible draft, you don't waste a #3 pick on Jason Terry.
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Assuming the Jazz stay at 3 and neither Williams nor Irving fall, who is supposed to be worth the 3rd pick? There is no consensus anywhere about that. You act as if you know something no one else does, so let us in on the secret. Who is the franchise player at #3 that you'd pick?
 
green said:
You were talking about drafting a pg with the #3 pick and how Knight would be a bad choice. I want to know if you think Irving is worth the #3 pick, and if you do, what makes him worth the #3 pick and not Knight?
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Efficiency, efficiency, efficiency, true position, efficiency, efficiency, adjusting for time Irving was significantly more productive, efficiency, and Irving could've even improved his numbers as the year went on. And efficiency.

And I like Knight. The difference in what they did with the opportunities provided (minutes and possessions) is VAST. Knight might even be the better player, sure, but there's a reason Irving's the consensus #1 and Knight is floating around #3-#6.
 
From what I've seen from comparisons Knight could be a Russell Westbrook type and Kanter could be a Zach Randolph type player. Let's say they both reach that potential. who would you rather have: Westbrook or Randolph?
 
Dtol17 said:
Not true at all:

Kidd: 7.7
Felton: 6.7
Augustin: 6.7
Wall: 6.5
Lawson: 6.5
Nelson: 6.5
Conley: 6.1
Paul: 5.9
Rose: 4.7
Dwill: 4.5
Evans: 3.9
Holiday: 3.7
Rondo: 3.5
Curry: 2.8
Teague: 2.5
Collison: 2.3
Nash: 2.2
Harris: 1.8
Westbrook: .7/4.3 Sophomore year

The highlighted players are the very best of the best or up and coming point guards, but all of these players are among the top 20-25 point guards in the league (I guess excluding Evans now). These are all of their freshman assist numbers. Knight is at 4.2, right in the middle of that group. He was the go to scorer on his team, improved tremendously over the course of the year and became a leader. I'm not saying he's better than Kanter or ever will be, and he's absolutely a reach at 3, but not in this draft. I'm completely split on Kanter/Knight right now, but I'd obviously lean toward Knight unless we can move Sap and give Kanter the nod over Memo.

This kid is a point guard. His turnover numbers are a little alarming, I agree, but he stepped it up big time at the end of the year and got a lot of unearned turnovers due to the inexperience around him (not excusing him at all). I think a lot of people accuse him of being a combo guard because of his size, but he plays like a point guard in the sense that he gets others involved and commands his teammates around the court. He's clutch, a proven leader, and a guy that wants to win. Chauncey Billups isn't far off, but I think he'll end up being more a "true" point guard than Chauncey.

I'm not saying I'd pick him over Kanter (yet), but in this year's draft, he's a great pickup at 3 and can very well be a franchise point guard.
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You're throwing out assist numbers without looking at assists per minute. Sure, Rondo had less but he had more per minute (I think--it's 6am and I don't feel like looking it up again) than Knight. Curry's not a true point. And Westbrook had Collison running the point as a frosh so he too played little to no point. That said, Westbrook's numbers do give me some hope but again, he is maybe the best athlete in the league, something Knight will never reach.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
You're throwing out assist numbers without looking at assists per minute. Sure, Rondo had less but he had more per minute (I think--it's 6am and I don't feel like looking it up again) than Knight. Curry's not a true point. And Westbrook had Collison running the point as a frosh so he too played little to no point. That said, Westbrook's numbers do give me some hope but again, he is maybe the best athlete in the league, something Knight will never reach.
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I am looking at assist per game of every PG projected in the first round (https://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft) and only Darius Morris stands out. Everyone else is in 4 to 5 range. And even Morris had 2.6 assists as a rookie, when he was actually a year older than Knight. Therefore, Knight's assists don't concern me. He is right there with other top prospects, and he did at a younger age than all of them.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Kragthorpe of Salt Lake Tribune seems to think Kanter is a lock at #3 - stating that Kanter is the "talented center the Jazz needs"

https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/51833883-87/jazz-lottery-draft-pick.html.csp?page=1
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Kragthorpe seems to have lost it. He is only concerned about the position. Kanter is a talented center, that's enough for him to draft at #3. Also, how about his idiotic statement how we should have pulling for Cavs because they lost LeBron and had a kid with medical problems sitting next to KOC. Would anyone here really not want Jazz to get #1, but prefer Cavs to do so, because of that?
 
Nasty Style said:
From what I've seen from comparisons Knight could be a Russell Westbrook type and Kanter could be a Zach Randolph type player. Let's say they both reach that potential. who would you rather have: Westbrook or Randolph?
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Good point, and to me Zach is probably too much of a ceiling for Kanter. The only thing of note Kanter has done is get youth MVP in Europe. Every year several talented young men win MVP in jr tournaments, and you never hear of them. One you heard of was Koufos, who actually took his team higher than Kanter and put better numbers. The problem with Kanter is, Koufos might be a better comparison than Randolph for him. Chances of failure are huge. Knight , on the other hand, accomplished something not many people can claim: as a 17 year old he joined a team in NCAA, and became its leader en route to #3 rankings in the tournament, while putting together good numbers. Kanter in the meantime missed a critical year of development. It's just too much of a risk to take Kanter, and reward potential is just not there.
 
Kanter will tear it up, just my opinion and prediction (and much more 'educated' than most on here). I think any of Irving (NOT happening), Williams, Kanter, or Knight is great for the Jazz. Sucks that it's a weak draft, but one of those four is our #3.
 
PKM said:
Kanter will tear it up, just my opinion and prediction (and much more 'educated' than most on here). I think any of Irving (NOT happening), Williams, Kanter, or Knight is great for the Jazz. Sucks that it's a weak draft, but one of those four is our #3.
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Not to be a dick, but its time to back up these statements. What do you do to make you more educated than most? I think you have been dying to have someone ask you anyways, so there you go.
 
No sweat, though I'm not dying to explain anything (as I've already done so).

I am close to the UK program. I've watched (live) Kanter teach, practice, and play. I've seen game film from his euro-ball being broken-down by UK assistants.

I watched Kanter totally school Nazr Mohammed (long story). Look, I'm not pimping Enes, I'm simply saying he's NOT the typical euro. He's a banger, tough as nails, and will be a fantastic NBA pro, fantastic. I'm still very bummed he was ineligible to play for UK this year, so I'm probably a little more sensitive (than most) to random people saying he's "unproven", will be a "bust" or whatever. I respect everyone has an opinion, I'm just sharing mine ... and from a little 'closer' perspective.
 
If I'm going to get a Euro I would prefer it to be a Turkish Euro. Memo's probably more of a finesse player, but I never thought he was "soft" like other Euros, but it seems like the Turkish guys that are coming over lately are tough and have game. I think Irving, DWill, and Kanter should be a lock for top 3. I like Knight, but don't want him at 3.
 
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