2011 draft.....
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BENTLEY
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Barnes. I still hope to get him in the 2012 draft but the Jazz need more draft pick luck. So maybe if they draft Kanter they can trade a big like Millsap or Jefferson for some package that includes some 1st round picks for next year.
Spaniard
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I'm not overly impressed with Knight, I think our own Devin Harris is his who he's comparable to without quite the speed. May or may not have the PG instincts, but the fact that we don't really know that after a year at Kentucky tells me something. I'm content waiting out this year with Devin and Earl and trying to find our PG of the future next year.
Kanter doesn't seem to be a star but barring medical problems or something like that, he's the best big man (PF,C) in the draft. We gotta take him, unless Minny does, then I'm also fine with DWill2
Kanter doesn't seem to be a star but barring medical problems or something like that, he's the best big man (PF,C) in the draft. We gotta take him, unless Minny does, then I'm also fine with DWill2
BENTLEY
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This. Welcome to America.
trigg3r
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I would have taken Barnes. He is a clear cut 3 who isn't considered a tweener. I like Derrick Williams, but he is a tweener and sometimes(quite often) he gets lost on the defensive end of the court. I disagree about Kanter. Here's my position, we don't have to keep Kanter if we draft him but there is no way you pass him up at 3 with the pick. If someone like the Raptors wants to trade up to get Kanter and is willing to give us the 5th pick(which likely is Knight if the Cavs select Irving 1st overall) + another asset like a pick for next year then you take it. But we need to draft the BPA and not just go with Knight because he might fit our team better. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
Man, I'm excited for the next few years to see how all this plays out and am willing to be wrong but Barnes is way overrated on this board, IMO. He's overwhelmingly average athletically and a streaky shooter. To me I see a league full of Harrison Barnes.....but again, I guess we shall see.
Nasty Style
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I haven't seen very much of Barnes, that's why I ask. Have you seen the range of Derrick Williams? If he could be a 3 (which I think he could) he's a lights out shooter plus can slam with authority. So would you take Willaims or Kanter?
Nasty Style
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I've seen some suggest Klay Thompson at 12-trust me, he will suck in the NBA. I've seen quite a few WA ST games this past year and aside from his horrible defense, he completely disappears in crunch time. Wazzu fans will tell you kyle Weaver is/was a much better prospect.
Zerol
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The fact that he works out now doesn't change the fact that he skipped the Hoops Summit. He could have proved he is worth the no.1 pick by dominating in that game again.
trigg3r
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True, but him proving he was the consensus number 1 at the Hoops Summit for the second time wouldn't have been advantageous for us because he wouldn't have fallen to the 3rd spot. He still might not. That being said, I would have liked to see him at the Hoops Summit, but maybe he felt he had nothing to prove after putting up 34 points and 13 boards in the previous one. I wasn't so frustrated with him not playing in the Hoops Summit again as I was him being declared ineligible to play for Kentucky. Many think if he had been eligible he would have been the 1st overall player taken this year. There is no doubt the kid is very mature offensively for his age. Anyway, I think too many solid bigs is a good problem to have.
You might be joking, but you're definitely trolling. Holy ****, dude, the difference is VAST. AND you didn't account for minutes either.
But as an example, if both players shot 20 shots on these contrasted percentages, Irving scores 37 and Knight scores 25.6. In a game where margin of victory averages by 5 or less points, a 11-12 pt difference is MASSIVE. And this isn't taking into account assist or turnover rate. Or rate of getting to the line and the difference that makes. Or how Irving averaged twice as many steals in fewer minutes.
Andre Miller that averages 46% from 3 and 90% from the line? And 19 years old? That's pretty ****ing awesome.
Yes, that same career 14/7 guy. Very solid in my book but sounds like "pretty ****ing awesome" to others.
That's funny. Let me start over. Andre Miller can't shoot. He's a terrible shooter and always has been. I was saying if Andre Miller - in his youth and/or prime - had a jumpshot, that's a VERY good player. Shooting has been the bane of his existence. But I'm still a little confused. What about Irving says Andre Miller to you? That they don't have the same build, don't play the same game, and one can shoot and one can't? Of all the comparisons you could come to, how did THAT one come to mind?
underKANTER
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still not a longer highlight video from the combine, what a joke...
richgates
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From Chad Ford's Twitter:
Turkey's Enes Kanter measured out well. 6' 9.75" in socks and 6' 11.25" in shoes with a good 7' 1.5" wing and a 9' 1.5" standing reach
Derrick Williams was 6' 7.25" in socks and 6' 8.75" in shoes. He had a 7' 1.25" wingspan and a 9' 0" standing reach.
Got measurements from the draft combine. Kyrie Irving was 6' 1.75" in socks and 6' 3.5" in shoes with a 6' 4" wingspan. But 10.3 body fat
Turkey's Enes Kanter measured out well. 6' 9.75" in socks and 6' 11.25" in shoes with a good 7' 1.5" wing and a 9' 1.5" standing reach
Derrick Williams was 6' 7.25" in socks and 6' 8.75" in shoes. He had a 7' 1.25" wingspan and a 9' 0" standing reach.
Got measurements from the draft combine. Kyrie Irving was 6' 1.75" in socks and 6' 3.5" in shoes with a 6' 4" wingspan. But 10.3 body fat
No, let me start over, my apologies. Their build (it actually is similar: both around 6'2", wide shouldered/solid), demeanor/makeup and even how both of them talk remind me of each other. I see Kyrie putting up similar stats to AM throughout his career, that's it. I should have clarified.
Now, you seem to be willing to transfer a sample size of 11 games directly over to Kyrie's NBA career, one for one. Meaning in those 11 games his very high shooting percentages will transfer directly to the NBA and when we look back 10 years from now, low and behold 46% from 3 and 53% from the field. I'm not as confident that will be reality.
Chad Feldheimer
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I love that they measure them with and without shoes. As if they are going play without shoes on at some point.
I am sure it is prevent people from wearing platform shoes.