Following Potential 2018 Draftees

[Game6Conley]

Would Wendell Carter be a good pick if we are sitting around 10 and can he be our stretch 4?

Impressive stats.

He would be a GREAT pick. U can't possibly go wrong with Wendell Carter, he's super-safe..

Also one of the youngest players in the draft. Impressive skill set at at 18 and a half.

He is going to pass the Jazz psychological profiling with flying colors too. He is a truly engaging personality, somewhere on the Karl Towns spectrum tbh. He was recruited to Harvard. Has a great demeanor.

 

[Game6Conley]

Bruno Fernando on Maryland is trending quickly towards one-and-done status and honestly Maryland is gonna be hurting without him.. top-40 range..

This one is super easy cuz u guys will actually absorb this rather quickly;

Bruno Fernando is like Joel Bolomboy, except he's still gonna be 19 at the time of the draft.... its that simple... 6'10 long arms, strong, explosive, kinda pf/c ish but also he's got shooting touch and shoots 75% from the stripe. Career high 21 points today vs Iowa. He's from Angola which actually seems like it could be a good talent hotspot moving forward --- the 'first generation' players look very promising.....

 

[Jazz4ever]

Would they be willing to throw in more then? I just can't see the Jazz drafting Ayton, and there isnt anyone good enough to draft over him. Like throwing in Lamb and taking Burks back. I get that there is the recent George Hill wound of Jazz finally getting a good PG, he blows up in the system, then suddenly starts demanding crazy money wound.

Maybe a better scenario would be the Jazz trade Ayton to the Blazers for CJ McCollum?

Jazz throw in Burks/Rubio to match salaries and the Blazers give the Jazz an additional future 1st?


Or the Cavs w/ the Nets pick and Love? Cavs could also throw in Crowder. So Ayton/Burks for Love,Nets pick (let's say that ends up being 10th overall too in this scenario), and Crowder?

History says it's very dangerous to make trades like this for tier 1 draft prospects like Ayton. It has to be a blow you away type scenario. Ayton at PF isn't ideal, but he is very quick for his size, more than current Favors. Much better jump shooter too, makes 48% of his jumpers. Now if it was Bamba instead of Ayton, probably would force my hand into trading him for a McCollum or Walker level player.

 

[Game6Conley]

On the phenom alert front.. Few years back St. Johns had a player named Gods'gift Achuwia, well his younger brother Precious could be somewhere on the Kahwi Leonard spectrum of SF's, 6'9" monster set of hands, he shoots 3's, he dunks like crazy he can almost touch the top of the backboard already... Lemme drop a crazy quote for ya's...

“He’s a pro, there’s not much to say,” said Gray Bees coach Mark Taylor, whose team improved to 13-0. “He might be the best I’ve ever coached and I had Jay Williams, who was No. 2 in the draft, I had Tyler Ennis, No. 18, and Andrew Bynum, No. 10 in the draft. We’ve had other players make the pros

 

[Game6Conley]

History says it's very dangerous to make trades like this for tier 1 draft prospects like Ayton. It has to be a blow you away type scenario. Ayton at PF isn't ideal, but he is very quick for his size, more than current Favors. Much better jump shooter too, makes 48% of his jumpers. Now if it was Bamba instead of Ayton, probably would force my hand into trading him for a McCollum or Walker level player.

Ayton ultimately is too stiff to start at PF, but obviously if there's any C he could do it next to it's Rudy, it's not a long term solution tho because Ayton is gonna be really big as he ages.....

He would have a massive advantage on the offensive glass vs every single matchup other than Anthony Davis I suppose..

Bamba is more of the Porzingis style unicorn u want to gamble on for this and Rudy and Mo on the same team on the same court together will just look absurd, the court will look tiny as hell.. It'd be viable, people been trying to coach Mo into the pure C spot for years, but he could function well like that tbh, imho, next to Rudy..

There's really alot of interesting lesser options of these PF/C shotblocking archetypes in this draft too.. Daniel Gafford, Robert Williams, Mitchell Robinson, Jaren Jackson

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Would Wendell Carter be a good pick if we are sitting around 10 and can he be our stretch 4?

Impressive stats.

He's not a stretch 4. He's more of a 'traditional' big. I like him, but I'm not sure he's quite on par with Robert Williams.

The Jazz need a versatile athletic combo forward in the worst way. Players like Knox, both Bridges and Vanderbilt should get looks.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I feel pretty confident in saying the Jazz would take Miles over Knox 10/10 times. Miles is a pretty great fit.

Miles deserves to go top 8-10 in this draft. I'm just not 100% sure if the Jazz would take him. Probably they would.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Would they be willing to throw in more then? I just can't see the Jazz drafting Ayton, and there isnt anyone good enough to draft over him. Like throwing in Lamb and taking Burks back. I get that there is the recent George Hill wound of Jazz finally getting a good PG, he blows up in the system, then suddenly starts demanding crazy money wound.

Maybe a better scenario would be the Jazz trade Ayton to the Blazers for CJ McCollum?

Jazz throw in Burks/Rubio to match salaries and the Blazers give the Jazz an additional future 1st?


Or the Cavs w/ the Nets pick and Love? Cavs could also throw in Crowder. So Ayton/Burks for Love,Nets pick (let's say that ends up being 10th overall too in this scenario), and Crowder?

The Celtics and a bunch of teams would call for Ayton. Phoenix would be in play.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

History says it's very dangerous to make trades like this for tier 1 draft prospects like Ayton. It has to be a blow you away type scenario. Ayton at PF isn't ideal, but he is very quick for his size, more than current Favors. Much better jump shooter too, makes 48% of his jumpers. Now if it was Bamba instead of Ayton, probably would force my hand into trading him for a McCollum or Walker level player.

Ayton isnt a PF at all. I think Ayton can be a fantastic player. I don't think the Jazz are trading away Michael Jordan and they already have a center who is capable of being a top 15 NBA player any given season.

I really don't think anyone is giving up CJ McCollum for Bamba. Ayton would be the only guy who could (though I dont think he does) drop to 5 and have a huge amount of trade value.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Celtics and a bunch of teams would call for Ayton. Phoenix would be in play.

The problem w/ Phoenix is they dont have any good established players.

For Ayton I would want a border-line All-Star and a high draft pick.

Boston would be interesting. Would they give up Jaylen Brown and the Kings 2019 pick?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Jazz would also be tempted to take Ayton and listen to offers for Gobert, imo. The main reason is that Gobert has had essentially the same injury 3 times in the past year when different players have barreled into his knees. Ayton looks like he could be more durable.

The other thing is that Gobert eats up all the space inside on offense, which can stifle drives by other players. He can't draw his defender out. A big who can play outside even a little bit can open a number of offensive options. Everyone says that Favors can't play with Gobert, but some of the blame for that also falls on Gobert.

I'm not saying the Jazz would pull the trigger on a deal, but it would be a discussion. A team with Mitchell, Ayton and another lottery pick like Porter would be a solid core to build on.

The Jazz probably won't get higher than 8th or so in the draft. They'd really have to pull the red handle to get up there.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Either or game have to choose one and tell us why you would select that player in front of the other.

Marvin Bagley vs Luka Doncic
DeAndre Ayton vds Mo Bamba
Trae Young vs Collin Sexton
Michael Porter VS Jaren Jackson
Brandon McCoy vs Mitchell Robinson
Wendell Carter vs Robert Williams
Mikal Bridges vs Miles Bridges
Bruce Brown vs Trevon Duval
Dzunan Musa vs Hamidou Diallo
Troy Brown vs Lonnie Walker
Chimezie Metu vs Daniel Gafford
Anfernee Simons vs Grayson Allen
De'Anthony Melton vs Shake Milton

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Either or game have to choose one and tell us why you would select that player in front of the other.

Marvin Bagley vs Luka Doncic
DeAndre Ayton vds Mo Bamba
Trae Young vs Collin Sexton
Michael Porter VS Jaren Jackson
Brandon McCoy vs Mitchell Robinson
Wendell Carter vs Robert Williams
Mikal Bridges vs Miles Bridges
Bruce Brown vs Trevon Duval
Dzunan Musa vs Hamidou Diallo
Troy Brown vs Lonnie Walker
Chimezie Metu vs Daniel Gafford
Anfernee Simons vs Grayson Allen
De'Anthony Melton vs Shake Milton

Doncic
Ayton
Young
Porter
Robinson
Williams
Brown
Musa
Walker
Gafford
Simons
Milton

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Jazz would also be tempted to take Ayton and listen to offers for Gobert, imo. The main reason is that Gobert has had essentially the same injury 3 times in the past year when different players have barreled into his knees. Ayton looks like he could be more durable.

The other thing is that Gobert eats up all the space inside on offense, which can stifle drives by other players. He can't draw his defender out. A big who can play outside even a little bit can open a number of offensive options. Everyone says that Favors can't play with Gobert, but some of the blame for that also falls on Gobert.

I'm not saying the Jazz would pull the trigger on a deal, but it would be a discussion. A team with Mitchell, Ayton and another lottery pick like Porter would be a solid core to build on.

The Jazz probably won't get higher than 8th or so in the draft. They'd really have to pull the red handle to get up there.

You know what would be a better core to build on? Gobert/Mitchell/Lottery pick

 

[stitches]

Ayton scares me. As in - I'm scared to trade him away... I think he has the potential to be an Embiid like player at least offensively without all the injury concerns. I think he can be an absolute monster. I'm not sure you can trade that.

I will be willing to take him and just put him as a Gobert insurance. If he shows a ton in his rookie year (similarly to Mitchell) and/or Gobert continues to get nicked and hobbled I might be looking to trade Gobert at the following draft for a high pick.

IMO we need to be ready to reorient our core towards Mitchell.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ayton scares me. As in - I'm scared to trade him away... I think he has the potential to be an Embiid like player at least offensively without all the injury concerns. I think he can be an absolute monster. I'm not sure you can trade that.

So you just let him sit on your bench behind Rudy? A player of his profile will not take well to that. You risk having a (honestly justified) malcontent player on your bench who is just demanding trades and lowering his value.

He could be very good, but Rudy is already a top 15 NBA player. You either trade him or you trade Rudy, I don't see any other way.

 

[stitches]

So you just let him sit on your bench behind Rudy? A player of his profile will not take well to that. You risk having a (honestly justified) malcontent player on your bench who is just demanding trades and lowering his value.

He could be very good, but Rudy is already a top 15 NBA player. You either trade him or you trade Rudy, I don't see any other way.

The problem is Rudy has had 3 knee injuries in the span of 15 games. Now they are all relatively fluky, but it is possible Gobert just has somewhat unstable knees because of his size. I think I will be willing to take Ayton and risk malcontent situation. Just the potential reward is too high to pass on. I will take him as a Gobert insurance and I will limit Gobert's minutes a bit so Ayton will have at least 20ish minutes a game. And if he shows similar potential to what Mitchell did in his rookie year, I might be leaning towards trading Gobert either at the trade deadline or at the following draft. I will be getting myself ready to reorient our core towards Mitchell's timeline rather than Gobert's timeline.

For example imagine you get Mitchell-Ayton showing tons of promise and say a top 5 pick for Gobert in 2019 with the likes of RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish, Zion coming into the draft at that time. I would feel pretty good for that type of core going forward

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The problem is Rudy has had 3 knee injuries in the span of 15 games. Now they are all relatively fluky, but it is possible Gobert just has somewhat unstable knees because of his size. I think I will be willing to take Ayton and risk malcontent situation. Just the potential reward is too high to pass on. I will take him as a Gobert insurance and I will limit Gobert's minutes a bit so Ayton will have at least 20ish minutes a game. And if he shows similar potential to what Mitchell did in his rookie year, I might be leaning towards trading Gobert either at the trade deadline or at the following draft. I will be getting myself ready to reorient our core towards Mitchell's timeline rather than Gobert's timeline.

But Gobert literally showed he is a borderline top 10 player last year...

Personally I don't buy him being injury prone, at least not anymore so than Ayton. Big guys are just going to be susceptible to dudes falling into their knees. Just in general I don't fret over injuries unless there have been multiple surgeries.

I just wouldn't want to sit through another rebuild. Trading Gobert and building around Ayton/Mitchell would be another year or two of not making the playoffs. And it's not like you are settling by sticking w/ Gobert. He is a top 15 player. Use Ayton's rights to get another another top player, a high draft pick, and additional assets. Boom the Jazz are back to being a top team in the West and a potential contender. Anytime you make any trade there is always a risk that you will end up looking foolish.

Plus, the idea of "reorienting the core towards Mitchell" just seems foolish to me. It should be oriented to competing now on Mitchell's rookie contract w/ Gobert signed. Not that the Jazz should be selling everything to make the playoffs, but the goal should be to make the playoffs in 2019 and use that momentum to sign a max player to complete the core.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That, and I do believe in some sort of loyalty towards players. Rudy is Jazz basketball and should be a Jazz man for life.

 

[stitches]

But Gobert literally showed he is a borderline top 10 player last year...

Personally I don't buy him being injury prone, at least not anymore so than Ayton. Big guys are just going to be susceptible to dudes falling into their knees. Just in general I don't fret over injuries unless there have been multiple surgeries.

I just wouldn't want to sit through another rebuild. Trading Gobert and building around Ayton/Mitchell would be another year or two of not making the playoffs. And it's not like you are settling by sticking w/ Gobert. He is a top 15 player. Use Ayton's rights to get another another top player, a high draft pick, and additional assets. Boom the Jazz are back to being a top team in the West and a potential contender. Anytime you make any trade there is always a risk that you will end up looking foolish.

Don't get me wrong. I see your point and I don't mind at all that plan... I just think the other plan is not unreasonable at all, either. IMO if such scenario presents itself there is a serious discussion DL and the FO will have to have about whether it's prudent to trade a player like Ayton. This is one that we might regret. Furthermore in my plan you keep Gobert at least for a year. You can still trade Ayton the following draft if Gobert's injury issues seem to be behind him and if him and Mitchell are gelling well. Or you can trade Gobert if Ayton seems like a future monster and top 10 player(IMO there is a significant chance of this being the case). You keep your options open... and you all but ensure you will be having a monster center for the foreseeable future. + you give yourself a chance to draft one of the premier wings coming into the draft in 2019. Cam Reddish, RJ Barrett, Zion... I can see all of them fitting real well with both Mitchell-Gobert and Mitchell-Ayton core...