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Some of the statements in this thread are way overblown. Utah was a 51 win team last year and replaced Haywood with Mitchell and Hill with Rubio. If anything, our bench is better than last year. This team isn't the disaster area some are making out to be.

3 key factors make up the difference. Gobert being injured, poor fit and because of those factors the team has never had a chance to jell. We need to replace a one or two key pieces and become healthy and this team could easily be better than last years.

The hard part is finding one key piece. Hate to say it, but this team could benefit from some timely injuries to finish off the tank. That's our best shot at finding the right player in the draft, or having a pick valuable enough to trade for a significant player.
 
freakazoid said:
Some of the statements in this thread are way overblown. Utah was a 51 win team last year and replaced Haywood with Mitchell and Hill with Rubio. If anything, our bench is better than last year. This team isn't the disaster area some are making out to be.

3 key factors make up the difference. Gobert being injured, poor fit and because of those factors the team has never had a chance to jell. We need to replace a one or two key pieces and become healthy and this team could easily be better than last years.

The hard part is finding one key piece. Hate to say it, but this team could benefit from some timely injuries to finish off the tank. That's our best shot at finding the right player in the draft, or having a pick valuable enough to trade for a significant player.
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Honestly swapping Rubio for Mirotic would change our lives. Assuming Rudy is healthy I think that puts us right back at 50 wins.

Not suggesting a straight swap but just saying the space Rubio takes away and the space Niko would add would have an exponential affect.

We have a great core and I just thought when the injury happened and we started slow that a quick one year tank adding another potential star would make this team incredibly dangerous. Then do the other moves in the offseason - moving Rubio and getting a stretch four. Doesn't have to be Niko.

Stealing Niko for 50 cents on the dollar would be a great start. People would be shocked if they didn't trade him, so if I'm the Jazz I wait them out. Neither team has a ton of urgency, but I'd say they have more than us.
 
First lets invest in a big man who can shoot and draw defenders out of the paint for Gobert.
I'm excited to see Gobert paired with a PF who can hit the 3. Or even the long two consistently.

Get a new PG if something better come along. Be open to it, and we are.

Move Hood for either pics or a player who gels better with our core (and is more durable).

Favors needs to go. Like yesterday.

Burks can stay or go depending on what the return is. No need to move if we don't get anything worthwhile.
 
First lets invest in a big man who can shoot and draw defenders out of the paint for Gobert.
I'm excited to see Gobert paired with a PF who can hit the 3. Or even the long two consistently.

Get a new PG if something better come along. Be open to it, and we are.

Move Hood for either picks or a player who gels better with our core (and is more durable).

Favors needs to go. Like yesterday.

Burks can stay or go depending on what the return is. No need to move if we don't get anything worthwhile.
 
If we add at least one or two solid pieces we'll be good next year.

Add that with the draft, Exum's return (hopefully), and Thabo.
 
Revolution 9 said:
First lets invest in a big man who can shoot and draw defenders out of the paint for Gobert.
I'm excited to see Gobert paired with a PF who can hit the 3. Or even the long two consistently.

Get a new PG if something better come along. Be open to it, and we are.

Move Hood for either pics or a player who gels better with our core (and is more durable).

Favors needs to go. Like yesterday.

Burks can stay or go depending on what the return is. No need to move if we don't get anything worthwhile.
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Id change grabbing a PG to grabbing a SF and moving Ingles to the bench. DM, Exum and Neto will cover PG.
 
Stoked said:
Id change grabbing a PG to grabbing a SF and moving Ingles to the bench. DM, Exum and Neto will cover PG.
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Id say only get a PG if the right offer comes along, which I believe they are doing. I don't think they are shopping Ricky, but hes available.

Clearly, Ricky is hit or miss. Hopefully we can see a little more consistency from everyone now that Gobert is back. Lets get into a groove, and really see what we have.
 
MDAV28 said:
This is the type of thinking that gets GMs fired. You don't double down on your mistake. You can only work with what you have at the present. It doesn't matter how you got there.
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I agree the millers aren’t dumb... they know the circumstances under which Rubio was acquired. Don’t make decisions based on sunk costs.
 
Tyreke Evans could be an interesting fit in Utah imo. He can be had for sure. Rumors were swirling yesterday about him to Boston.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Honestly swapping Rubio for Mirotic would change our lives. Assuming Rudy is healthy I think that puts us right back at 50 wins.

Not suggesting a straight swap but just saying the space Rubio takes away and the space Niko would add would have an exponential affect.

We have a great core and I just thought when the injury happened and we started slow that a quick one year tank adding another potential star would make this team incredibly dangerous. Then do the other moves in the offseason - moving Rubio and getting a stretch four. Doesn't have to be Niko.

Stealing Niko for 50 cents on the dollar would be a great start. People would be shocked if they didn't trade him, so if I'm the Jazz I wait them out. Neither team has a ton of urgency, but I'd say they have more than us.
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There's a three-team deal there with Denver and Chicago. Something like Rubio to Denver, Niko and Chandler to Utah, JJ and a Denver asset (Malik Beasley?) and maybe a Utah 2nd to Chicago.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree the millers aren’t dumb... they know the circumstances under which Rubio was acquired. Don’t make decisions based on sunk costs.
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They did exactly this tho.. I used to call it a Scrappy-Doo attitude... They didn't maintain discipline, they let the Siren's song known as "Championship aspirations led by Gordon Hayward" delude their view of reality...

Classic Knicks from the early 2000's typa move..

It's not great management, no way, D Lindsey would tell you it himself or he isn't trustworthy imo...

Hayward was an all the eggs in the basket type of move that ultimately was dumb. (unless the plan was to get to this point where we're at now, which I'm gonna say wasn't the plan.....)
 
MDAV28 said:
There's a three-team deal there with Denver and Chicago. Something like Rubio to Denver, Niko and Chandler to Utah, JJ and a Denver asset (Malik Beasley?) and maybe a Utah 2nd to Chicago.
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This trade is woefully imbalanced, I'm not gonna really pick it apart but it's unlikely Denver would want to Swap Beasley straight up for Rubio let alone pay more...
 
PG_AB said:
This trade is woefully imbalanced, I'm not gonna really pick it apart but it's unlikely Denver would want to Swap Beasley straight up for Rubio let alone pay more...
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Oops my bad probably meant Faried. I forget what Denver's numbers look like. Idea would be to provide some cap relief but also swap a player who isn't helping (Chandler/Faried) for a player who could help (Rubio)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Honestly swapping Rubio for Mirotic would change our lives. Assuming Rudy is healthy I think that puts us right back at 50 wins.

Not suggesting a straight swap but just saying the space Rubio takes away and the space Niko would add would have an exponential affect.

We have a great core and I just thought when the injury happened and we started slow that a quick one year tank adding another potential star would make this team incredibly dangerous. Then do the other moves in the offseason - moving Rubio and getting a stretch four. Doesn't have to be Niko.

Stealing Niko for 50 cents on the dollar would be a great start. People would be shocked if they didn't trade him, so if I'm the Jazz I wait them out. Neither team has a ton of urgency, but I'd say they have more than us.
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I like Mirotic for the Jazz a lot but I'm not sure how I feel about giving up on Rubio now that he's starting to figure things out. Not to mention the chemistry he seems to have with Mitchell and the valuable mentoring factor that comes with it.

At this moment I would rather send Favors their way and see how Rubio fares with a stretch 4 first.
 
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