Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont see anything we could get for Udoh that would be worth trading him for. They are not giving up a 1st. There is no player I want from Cavs that they are trading for him and Udoh is worth more to us than a 2nd.

Unless he is part of a bigger trade involving more players than I dont see why we would trade him.

1. He would get a 2nd round pick or two
2. He isnt going to every play anything but spot minutes if the Jazz don't trade Favors
3. The Jazz used a first round pick to draft Tony Bradley, who has been great in the G-League. I'm sure they want to give him minutes next year, maybe even some spot minutes this year. Hard to do that with Udoh.
4. He might get you a first if you package him with Hood. Udoh packaged w/ Hood might have more value to teams than Favors packaged w/ Hood because of how cheap Udoh is this year and next. You can have them both on your roster next year.

 

[infection]

Udoh out for "personal reasons". Man, that sounds like trade talks. Would be a good fit in Cleveland. If Utah wants to keep Favors for this year, selling on Udoh makes sense w/ Bradley in line for the backup minutes next year.

I think it makes more sense to clear Favors for Udoh rather than the other way around.

Just my $0.02.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think it makes more sense to clear Favors for Udoh rather than the other way around.

Just my $0.02.

Not following.

Favors is hard to move and get fair value back. The Jazz dont want to give away a starter for a 2nd round pick.

Udoh on the other hand, is a rotation player who cant play when the team is fully healthy (37 minutes in 9 games since Gobert's return juts cuz of blowouts mostly). So you can move him for a 2nd and it feels better because he was a cheap pickup. It feels like a good flip job. Plus he plays the same position as a guy you traded up for in the first round to get, who is killing it in the G-League. You need to open up minutes for him.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Was that stacked? Klay is good, but outside of a few restricted guys and a few who might opt out, I didn't see much. Kyrie and Kawhi are interesting, obviously, but I really doubt we have a chance on those guys.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
These are the guys I like (and yes it is "stacked", not many FA classes have this much top end talent)

Kawhi Leonard
Jimmy Butler
Eric Bledsoe https://www.basketball-reference.co...n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Ricky Rubio https://www.basketball-reference.co...n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Kemba Walker
Klay Thompson
Tobias Harris
[URL='https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mirotni01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-']Nikola Mirotic[/URL]
Devin Bookerhttps://www.basketball-reference.co...n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Kelly Oubre Jr.
Justise Winslow
Jordan Bellhttps://www.basketball-reference.co...n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Kristaps Porzingis
Kyrie Irving
Harrison Barneshttps://www.basketball-reference.co...n=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Khris Middleton
Kevin Love

Take away; Porzingis, Kyrie, Booker and Klay (who I dont think we have a chance at), the rest should be targets.

Also, these super max deals are going to get teams in trouble before long. Take a look at John Walls contract, its just not viable to compete when someone takes 35% of your cap. I expect him to be on the move before the end of next season.

 

[RRJazz]

Jazz fans would hate Kevin Love: he plays no defense at all. When he's got to contest a shot in the paint, he doesn't. He just turns around and hopes to grab the rebound. One of the main reasons why his rebound numbers are good. Meanwhile, the opposing PF has a career game. After a missed shot, he tends to complain to the refs while the other team plays 4 on 5. He has a tendency to break his hands. He gets 25M/year. The idea of Kevin Love is way better than the actual player.

 

[MDAV28]

2019 is a glaring obvious FA target date for the Jazz. Jazz could even reap the benefits of a tight 2018 FA money pool AND still strike in 2019.

 

[MDAV28]

Jazz fans would hate Kevin Love: he plays no defense at all. When he's got to contest a shot in the paint, he doesn't. He just turns around and hopes to grab the rebound. One of the main reasons why his rebound numbers are good. Meanwhile, the opposing PF has a career game. After a missed shot, he tends to complain to the refs while the other team plays 4 on 5. He has a tendency to break his hands. He gets 25M/year. The idea of Kevin Love is way better than the actual player.

Love is still a good player. And there is a Cleveland effect. Really think the high-post centric runs Love had in Minnesota were more valuable than what he gets in Cleveland.

 

[elan_prodigy]

I dont see anything we could get for Udoh that would be worth trading him for. They are not giving up a 1st. There is no player I want from Cavs that they are trading for him and Udoh is worth more to us than a 2nd.

Unless he is part of a bigger trade involving more players than I dont see why we would trade him.

Udoh for Osman straight up? (Udoh for young talent)

or

Udoh + Burks for Frye + IT? (Udoh used to move Burks for expirings)

 

[Ron Mexico]

1. He would get a 2nd round pick or two
2. He isnt going to every play anything but spot minutes if the Jazz don't trade Favors
3. The Jazz used a first round pick to draft Tony Bradley, who has been great in the G-League. I'm sure they want to give him minutes next year, maybe even some spot minutes this year. Hard to do that with Udoh.
4. He might get you a first if you package him with Hood. Udoh packaged w/ Hood might have more value to teams than Favors packaged w/ Hood because of how cheap Udoh is this year and next. You can have them both on your roster next year.

If he is packaged that makes sense.

I am not that sold on Bradley so I dont really care about clearing minutes and 2nd round picks are useless. I think he holds enough value to keep over getting 2nd or clearing time for a player that isnt good enough to take minutes from him.

If Bradley is good enough then he will earn his minutes, if he isnt then Udoh should keep getting minutes this year and next.

But I agree, if he is packaged then it makes sense. Although Hood and Udoh for a late 1st is a bad deal for the Jazz.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Why are you still trying to convince me? I just said I dont view the situation like this.

And even if we strike out in FA Id prefer the cap room be used on a bad contract and great pick instead of Fournier.

Right, because the Jazz should just perpetually be in rebuild mode.

 

[elan_prodigy]

1. He would get a 2nd round pick or two
2. He isnt going to every play anything but spot minutes if the Jazz don't trade Favors
3. The Jazz used a first round pick to draft Tony Bradley, who has been great in the G-League. I'm sure they want to give him minutes next year, maybe even some spot minutes this year. Hard to do that with Udoh.
4. He might get you a first if you package him with Hood. Udoh packaged w/ Hood might have more value to teams than Favors packaged w/ Hood because of how cheap Udoh is this year and next. You can have them both on your roster next year.

To help solve a teams wing and rim protection issues, they'd wanna have a decent 1st.

 

[Avery]

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If he is packaged that makes sense.

I am not that sold on Bradley so I dont really care about clearing minutes and 2nd round picks are useless. I think he holds enough value to keep over getting 2nd or clearing time for a player that isnt good enough to take minutes from him.

If Bradley is good enough then he will earn his minutes, if he isnt then Udoh should keep getting minutes this year and next.

But I agree, if he is packaged then it makes sense. Although Hood and Udoh for a late 1st is a bad deal for the Jazz.

I mean, it's not about what you or I think, but the Jazz did spend assets to move up to get him. He has played well in the G-League, so you have to think they really like him. You dont trade up in the first to get a guy to never play during his value years.

Utah is clearly very in tune with "doing right by their vets" so no, I dont think it's easy to play Bradley over Udoh if Udoh is here.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Whats funny about it?

Because you typically lack objectivity and logic.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Right, because the Jazz should just perpetually be in rebuild mode.

Paying $17Mil/yr for Fournier are the moves that have you in perpetual rebuilds.

Im arguing the opposite if you cared to read.

No half measures.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We better get someone otherwise DL may be asked for an explanation.

There is a tremendous opportunity right now and next season for any team with cap space (everyone is/will be clearing room for 18/19 Free Agency). Id hate for us to waste that opportunity for nothing.

It's been demonstrated that it's not a waste and it's not nothing. Remove your irrational disliking of Fournier for a second.

 

[David Stern]

Rodney is pure class. Love that guy, even if he's not on our team moving forward.

 

[fishonjazz]

Because you typically lack objectivity and logic.

Some examples?

In this particular discussion I brought thabo age and injury as a reason why it might be an ok thing to trade him.
Then a couple posts later you posted something similar.

 

[infection]

Not following.

Favors is hard to move and get fair value back. The Jazz dont want to give away a starter for a 2nd round pick.

Udoh on the other hand, is a rotation player who cant play when the team is fully healthy (37 minutes in 9 games since Gobert's return juts cuz of blowouts mostly). So you can move him for a 2nd and it feels better because he was a cheap pickup. It feels like a good flip job. Plus he plays the same position as a guy you traded up for in the first round to get, who is killing it in the G-League. You need to open up minutes for him.

I think Udoh is better than Favors and I think, as a team, we'd perform better if Udoh had more minutes. I think we play Favors over him because of history and I think the idea that we play Bradley over him "because we used a first rounder on him" is equally flawed. Remember, you were on the arguing end of using Mack above Exum because you thought Mack was playing better, so I think playing Udoh over Bradley, unless Bradley takes that spot away from him, is quite reasonable.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Paying $17Mil/yr for Fournier are the moves that have you in perpetual rebuilds.

Im arguing the opposite if you cared to read.

No half measures.

I read just fine. You just said being able to take on trash on bad contracts to acquire draft picks was more important to you than having a good, contributing player. That's rebuild 101.

Getting a good player worthy of their salary and probably wants to be here is not a half-measure.