Favors next season?

[NUMBERICA]

I think it's more complicated than that. They can renounce a couple guys this year. I renounced Thabo (don't really need him with Crowder imo) and Traded Bradley and Burks and I had over 15 MIllion in Cap space after signing Exum to 10 million a year (which I think is around the high end he'll get). So there are definitely options there for DL. I can't see Thabo, Crowder, and Jerebko all with the team next year personally.

WHOA, back up: Where/How are you dumping dead money (Burks) and taking none back in a market with very little cap space? You don't just get to pretend that's a thing. Burks constitutes most of that cap space that the Jazz will not have.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Why?

And yeah, hope/faith is a commodity too. There's a reason he was drafted high, and that's what you'd be paying to check out. But that's it. In order to project, one should have data, and hopefully a positive trendline. Dante basically has neither.

I'm also perfectly fine letting Dante walk.

No you'd be paying on what you've seen in his development every day even though he has missed a bunch of games. As a GM you have seen him up close for 4 years. You are no longer paying him solely (or even mostly) on his draft position. If you listen to what the JAzz say they are high on his attributes and think he's going to be a very important piece. That has nothing to do with his draft position at this point. You think he doesn't have data because you only have in game data to go off of, that's the difference between being a fan evaluating and being a GM.

The reason to sign him to 4 years is pretty simple. If you believe in him you want to have team control for as many years as possible at a fair (or hopefully below) market value before he can walk. SIgning him to a slight or decent discount now (assuming he plays well later) will make that 3rd and 4th season incredibly valuable as you are signing important role players and handing out big extensions. It could be the difference between having a high end 3rd or 4th player and not being able to afford one.

When you sign him to a 2 year deal you are basically giving up that chance. If you have that much doubt in him there's no reason to even sign him for that as it will impact your ability to sign FA's next year (2019) at least. You also lose the opportunity cost of being able to bring in another young guard to get those minutes and gain chemistry with our main players. It's just short sighted and bad GMing. Like I said I think you are letting your feelings for him influence the kind of deal you would make because you don't believe in him. What you actually want to do is just let him walk. While I disagree with that opinion I think that would be the appropriate choice for you if you were the GM.

 

[infection]

Lol. I mean the problem is kind of a minutes crunch at some point. If Thabo was still playing I guess Jerebko wouldn't be getting minutes, or maybe Royce. I think DL went a little bit overboard with the depth this year, personally. It worked out because we had some injuries and trades, but I think before the deadline they were definitely having some locker room issues with roles and minutes. If you put Thabo back in to that with no other changes some guys are going to be really unhappy who deserve to be playing. DL is more conservative than myself so maybe he'll hold on to all of them haha.

I’d sub out Favors and rely on Jerebko as the (legitimate) 4 so long as you have Crowder, Thabo, et. al. behind him. Mirotic would be nice but I want more burn for Udoh (16-18 MPG).

 

[Quin's Murderface]

WHOA, back up: Where/How are you dumping dead money (Burks) and taking none back in a market with very little cap space? You don't just get to pretend that's a thing. Burks constitutes most of that cap space that the Jazz will not have.

The Jazz can trade Burks with a second round pick as an expiring contract most likely this year. Or they could package him with Bradley or one of our better 1+1 assets (who I think are redundant) if a team is interested. It's a lot easier to trade a guy who only has one year left as opposed to that second year.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I’d sub out Favors and rely on Jerebko as the (legitimate) 4 so long as you have Crowder, Thabo, et. al. behind him. Mirotic would be nice but I want more burn for Udoh (16-18 MPG).

Ok I could see that, actually. I was kind of assuming you pick up a 4 on the market with the free money, but sure if Favs is gone then keeping all of them would probably work. I do really like all 3 guys.

 

[NUMBERICA]

When you sign him to a 2 year deal you are basically giving up that chance.

Okay.

It's not that simple, but if it is/were, I'm fine with it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’d like to get a true stretch/playmaking 4 if possible or commit to playing more Crowder/Jonas/O’Neale at the 4. If we selected a 4 in the draft that could grow into that role I’d love for that guy to get 10-15 minutes a night.

I will say a Favs Utah reunion has a 10-20% chance of happening. Love the guy and will wish him the best either way.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Jazz can trade Burks with a second round pick as an expiring contract most likely this year.

I doubt that to an extent that I have difficulty describing. 2nd round picks aren't worth $11 million (and the cap number that comes with it). Bradley isn't, either.

 

[David Stern]

I sincerely believe that the 2018-2019 version of the Jazz will look almost exactly the same as the 2017-2018 version. They're going to be aggressive in summer 2019, not this year. We can win 50+ games next year if we bring everyone back.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And yeah, if the Pelicans look to cut bait on Mirotic's money, the Jazz are in prime-position to buy low. At which point, best of luck, Faves.

The Jazz also have a full stable of modern/"small-ball" 4s that I wouldn't be concerned at all rolling with.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I doubt that to an extent that I have difficulty describing. 2nd round picks aren't worth $11 million (and the cap number that comes with it). Bradley isn't, either.

I agree here. You may find something less than 11 to swap with or something that is better with more of a long term commitment. Could maybe find AB for a similar sized expiring at a different position that might be more useful.

To clear AB to sign someone I think we’d stretch him rather than pay the premium required.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I'm also perfectly fine letting Dante walk.

I think you are going to look foolish for saying this.

 

[infection]

I sincerely believe that the 2018-2019 version of the Jazz will look almost exactly the same as the 2017-2018 version. They're going to be aggressive in summer 2019, not this year. We can win 50+ games next year if we bring everyone back.

What if we clear enough cap space to sign Rodney Hood to an offer sheet?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And yeah, if the Pelicans look to cut bait on Mirotic's money, the Jazz are in prime-position to buy low. At which point, best of luck, Faves.

I call them everyday after the season to see when they are ready to do the deal. Non guaranteed contracts plus a second... they save enough to re-sign the broken Boogie Cousins

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I doubt that to an extent that I have difficulty describing. 2nd round picks aren't worth $11 million (and the cap number that comes with it). Bradley isn't, either.

I don't think it's a difficult trade to make at all. The Jazz might not want to do that and might not value any FA's this summer enough to care about paying for clearing out cap space. But they can move Alec if they want.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What if we clear enough cap space to sign Rodney Hood to an offer sheet?

I think he’s trending towards the MLE 4/36. I’d do it.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think you are going to look foolish for saying this.

I've been told the same before and usually the opposite is true. But sure, we all are wrong sometimes.

On the other hand, dumping $10 million a year into a poor-man's Shaun Livingston isn't enticing to me.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't think it's a difficult trade to make at all. The Jazz might not want to do that and might not value any FA's this summer enough to care about paying for clearing out cap space. But they can move Alec if they want.

Do you have any precedent? I can't think of anything close to one. No team is paying $11 million (and their cap space) for a second-round pick.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I've been told the same before and usually the opposite is true. But sure, we all are wrong sometimes.

On the other hand, dumping $10 million a year into a poor-man's Shaun Livingston isn't enticing to me.

Jazz management comments give me the impression that they see a lot more in him than you do, and since they have a lot more info than you do and have also proven their ability as talent evaluators, I expect them to be a lot more correct than you.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Do you have any precedent? I can't think of anything close to one. No team is paying $11 million (and their cap space) for a second-round pick.

I didn't say only a second round pick. It would be a pick and a player that a team values. I actually agree with the other poster that says it's more likely that he's traded to take on a longer contract. If they can find a player that fits better (a 4 would be great) then that might be another/better option as he's expiring. Either way I wouldn't want to hamstring options by paying Favors some ridiculous amount that puts us near the luxury tax and is twice his open market value.