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If only speed and size would be all it takes to be a good basketball player.
Douchebag K
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so far i think he looks more like last season than he did in summer league. But really we're not gonna know much more by the end of the season, we won't really know much more until well into next season if he stays healthy
Et tu Brute
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Yeah, I kind of think he is not in a great situation. He basically is trying to be an upgrade over O'Neale. He isn't playing a real back-up pg role. He doesn't get to facilitate as a traditional pg but is being asked to spot up, with some few opportunities to drive.
It's kind of a tough spot for everyone - including Q as to how best to utilise him.
What would help is if Dante could get a few more wide open looks and knock them down. I just worry that isn't where his real strengths lie.
On defense he looks strong and quick - but still gets fouled up pretty bad.
Douchebag K
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I could see it getting to a point where it might be best for all if he goes somewhere he can play next year, dude just needs a ******** of minutes, and maybe that time may have passed for him with the Jazz ?? Hope not
Et tu Brute
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Yeah I have that sick feeling in my gut.
Tbh, as much as I love Dante, he very well might not make it in the NBA longterm (I'm sure he gets one more contract though). But man I hope he gets a real go of it. I mean 'busts' like Mudiay, Jahlil Okafor, Hezonja (ok that might be harsh/wrong) have had so many chances to play their positions and be allowed to fail. Circumstances and injuries have robbed Exum so far of that.
The Jazz need a spark plug off the bench, and I don't think Exum is that guy. He is a chemistry guy, a dasher but not a gunner, a facilitator (in theory) who is used precious little in that role, defensively minded (and gifted) but not a steal magnet (lol - he had 2 today), not great at getting his own shot - unless it's at the rim (which he needs to get better at).
If the Jazz don't see him as a pg, is he really in their plans to be an off guard or a small forward?
What I saw last night was the beginning of the end for Dante Exum with the Jazz.......Mitchell came down as the PG and bombed shot after shot while Dante was in the corner observing. Also what stood out was the slow pace Mitchell brought the ball up ,it reminded me of Gordon Hayward walking the ball up last year.
Jazz are going to struggle to score in the playoffs. They've made their offense reliant on DM's (43%/33%),Crowder's(40%/33%)gaining minutes over Favors (55%),Rubio's (40%/32%),O'Neale's (39%/34%).Without Gobert's and Ingle's shooting ,the Jazz are a poor shooting squad.
Now you put Exum in as basically a 3rd PG in the rotation and have him run to the corner AGAIN and negating any of his strengths.I had hoped that Dante and DM would speed up the pace and transition of the Jazz ,but it's clear Dante has to defer to DM as he brings up the ball up the court ala Gordon Hayward.Same pace ,same speed,same lack of players able to create more scoring.
It's obvious Exum will be good but seriously doubt it will be with the Jazz who restrict his offensive potential and try to just pigeonhole him into a defensive player only.
I can easily see other teams seeing an opportunity to get Exum from the Jazz with just offering the freedom to play and create offense for their teams as the sweetener to get Exum's attention.
Jazz are going to struggle to score in the playoffs. They've made their offense reliant on DM's (43%/33%),Crowder's(40%/33%)gaining minutes over Favors (55%),Rubio's (40%/32%),O'Neale's (39%/34%).Without Gobert's and Ingle's shooting ,the Jazz are a poor shooting squad.
Now you put Exum in as basically a 3rd PG in the rotation and have him run to the corner AGAIN and negating any of his strengths.I had hoped that Dante and DM would speed up the pace and transition of the Jazz ,but it's clear Dante has to defer to DM as he brings up the ball up the court ala Gordon Hayward.Same pace ,same speed,same lack of players able to create more scoring.
It's obvious Exum will be good but seriously doubt it will be with the Jazz who restrict his offensive potential and try to just pigeonhole him into a defensive player only.
I can easily see other teams seeing an opportunity to get Exum from the Jazz with just offering the freedom to play and create offense for their teams as the sweetener to get Exum's attention.
Maybe we need to rethink this after last night? ;-)
I thought he played very well last night, considering. The most important thing with Dante is that he's more aggressive. And he's stronger. We need to give him some burn to see what those changes bring. There's no way he's close to top physical conditioning and he needs to find his groove with the team. But this is the Dante that scouts envisioned.
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Et tu Brute
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I think Dante is easily strong enough physically but his role of every season since he started with the Jazz is play defense and go to the corner. What's bothersome is Dante is way past the rookie status and his role is the same .Some of that's on him ,needing to be more aggressive in looking for his offense on this team (Jazz need it too from someone)and alot of it is on Snyder who is basically running the Gordon Hayward offense with DM. This doesn't leave much room from Exum to be aggressive offensively if he wants minutes BUT without exerting his aggressiveness offensively he's not going to get added minutes,so what is Exum going to do?
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I'm hoping that the go to the corner routine is just part of getting him re-acclimated. It is bad timing to try and re-acclimate a player and give them time to shake off the rust when fighting for a spot in the playoffs. The biggest problem I had last night was the lineups the majority of the time Dante was in. Royce needs to be on the bench, and he can't play with a Rusty Dante, ever. Dante needs to be playing with people that can score.
Exum is about to get big minutes from O'Neale, Burks and Neto. And hopefully a few from Ricky and Donovan. He needs to or else Donovan and Ricky are going to burn out.
It's game on for Dante. He and Quin are going to figure it out and once Ricky, Donovan and Dante click it's gonna get serious.
That would be ideal but I see Royce O'Neale and Jae Crowder moving in the offense more than Exum and it has nothing to do with whether or not Exum remembers the offense. Exum should be handling the ball like DM and Rubio simply because his potential on offense is greater than both Crowder and O'Neale and with the heavy minutes and struggling shooting of both DM and Rubio they need Exum to exert some offense .
Quin's Murderface
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I might be in the minority but I was ok with Exum's role last night. I thought he handled the ball and played PG for the most part. There was that one stretch in the second half where he played in the corner but I believe he was playing the 3 at that point with Rubio and Mitchell in the game. The tricky thing right now is that he's been a little bit shaky with his ball-handling and teams are heavily pressuring him when he brings it up the floor. This might be where the injury hurt him the most. He needs to be able to be really stable to get Quin's trust in those situations.
His defense has been solid, he's still driving aggressively when he has a chance. He needs to see a few jump shots go down. If I'm Quin I experiment with giving him a few more of Royce's minutes, and letting him handle it off of the curl/handoff action when he's playing as a wing. The advantage style should really work well for him. He doesn't always have to initiate every play. We want this thing to eventually be a positionless scheme anyway.
His defense has been solid, he's still driving aggressively when he has a chance. He needs to see a few jump shots go down. If I'm Quin I experiment with giving him a few more of Royce's minutes, and letting him handle it off of the curl/handoff action when he's playing as a wing. The advantage style should really work well for him. He doesn't always have to initiate every play. We want this thing to eventually be a positionless scheme anyway.
Douchebag K
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I more get the feeling that Exum is about to be sat down, sacrificed on David Locke’s altar of the team can’t score with him on the floor. he can’t try point that out quickly enough. He even tried to blame X for Schroeder “getting going” in the 4th. I can see a repeat of last year ... dunno how it bodes for his future
Ridiculous.
What have we seen from Exum lately?
His playoff Per 36 last year(in limited min.) was: 13.7 PTS, 3.9 AST, 2.1 STL, 40% FG, 33% 3PT
Summer league, 27 MPG AVG: 20 PTS, 6.3 AST, 4.3 REB, 1 BLK, 53% FG, 41% 3PT.
And this year in only 45 minutes total he's showed flashes of brilliance.
WTH do people expect? Last year he was Quin's whipping-boy, yet still showed signs. Then he was fantastic in summer league. Now he's much stronger and just needs a little more time.
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Douchebag K
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i'm telling you dude, Locke's trying to paint him as the weak link already before any kind of sample size. His words on the pod this morning were "can't score with Dante on the floor" and yesterday on the postcast was "Schroeder got going when Dante was on him" without mentioning how Schroeder waltzed past Ricky all night long. I thought he played ok last night, so i went and watched his minutes again and there were a bunch of bricked Donovan 3's and missed shots by other guys while he was parked in the corner. Defensively he did ok, Schroeder did score on him a couple of times but he stayed with him a few times and did a few nice things. Royce was putrid
Quin's been consistent with him so far which is promising.