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How did Exum look last night?

Siro said:
Cool story. Embiid missed 2 straight years and looked like an all star within a few games. Simmons missed an entire year. You develop in practice, not thru a minimum of 500 games, or whatever random number you think a player needs to show his quality.
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Cool story to cite guys who came in after injuries, but had full training camps. This is basically training camp for Dante. I already conceded Exum may never be a superstar. Embiid and Simmons are amazing talents. But how was Exum as a rookie? A decent starter who played very good defense but wouldn't penetrate and needed to work on his shot. Then he missed an entire season. And many claim it takes a year to come back from an ACL. So he looks pretty good in SL and then an idiot takes him out in preseason.

I guess we'll have to disagree on this one. Im betting he's still being brought along slowly with a goal of just getting him some minutes.

At worst, i expect Exum to be a very good backup next season. He's not going to start ahead of Rubio or Mitchell. But the year after? Who knows if Rubio will get another contract.
 
Siro said:
I don't agree with any of that. He does not finish at the rim with ease. He looks out of control, always jacks up a layup off the wrong foot, and he doesn't make very good decisions on his drives. He's also got the worst handles I've seen on an NBA PG. Won't bother with the "he's not a bad shooter, he's like Jason Kidd" cliche. None of what you said agrees with my observations. It's like you're describing a different player that I haven't seen.
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I agree that what you see is very different from what I see. I usually like most your takes but I think you are way off on this one. But time will tell I guess. That is the nice thing about sports, its just a guessing game from fans perspective. I think its very obvious he has all sorts of potential and you are seeing it get more reliable over time. But if you are just worried about his stats I agree they have not shown much yet. As far as evaluating what he has done from the eye test that is obviously subjective, even really good scouts strongly disagree with each other all the time. I also agree with what Snyder says about Exum, the player he talks more about than anyone. DL also says great things about him but he is a less reliable source on that.

Although after typing this I looked at his stats and so far this season they look great. But they are so limited its hard to draw conclusions from.

PER 100 possessions he is averaging 23.2 points, 10 assists and 5.6 board. Mitchell is at 30, 5.5 and 5.5 with the same stats. His TS% isnt great at .538 but its not horrible for a guy just coming back and is better than Mitchell's just for reference. His assist percentage is 32.7% which is best on the team. His offensive rating is the highest on our team so far. He is turning the ball over at the same rate as Rubio but getting a lot more assists in that time.

He has not played much this year but so far by the stats test he is doing pretty well. I doubt if he played a lot more those would hold up but I am still impressed with a kid that is still 22 he is almost exactly 1 year older than Mitchell and in the last few years missed almost 3 full seasons out of 5 from basketball.

He was always going to be a very raw player that would take awhile to develop. I think he is pretty similar to Gobert in that regard. Gobert just plays a position where he can focus on defense and be impactful in a huge way that a guard never will be. They have a lot of similarities.
 
I can see what Siro and Wes are saying. They're not buying into the fact that what Dante did in summer league and since back from injury is repeatable.

That's what they're saying, right? Right? If not, then what are they saying?
 
I have no idea what Exum will be signed for. I could see numbers all over the place. I hope its a lowish number for lots of years.

I could see teams looking at his potential and making a big offer. But the Jazz are very high in Exum and I think they plan to match any offer within reason (no one is offering the max or even close)

Mirotic is a good example although older teams assumed Chicago would match and no one really made him an offer. Hopefully if that is the case Jazz and Exum arent far off on their numbers and we can just sign him quickly.

I doubt he goes for less than 8 million and I would be shocked to see 20 million but any where in the middle I could see happening.
 
str8line said:
But is he going to be our 3rd or fourth best player? We still need a borderline star to go with Don and Rudy. Jingles is perfect, we're lucky to have him. And will we pay Favors? Will Favors even want to stay?

Things are about to get complicated.
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I not worried at all. We have jingles, Mitchell, and gobert locked up (crowders contract is nice too). We have Snyder. DL.

That’s all that really matters. If we lose X and favs we will replace them. Our core is intact. We look like we will have money to throw at Butler, klay, kahwi, etc. guys like favors and X won’t make or break this team.
 
1-6 from 3 is the biggest issue with Dante. If he can’t shoot the 3 them defenders will sag to stop the drive.

31% from 3 his rookie year.
29% his 3rd year.
16% this year.

Needs to get way better.
 
I think the jazz essentially offer the MLE for Exum assuming nothing crazy happens. I don’t think some does better than that and I think he will want to be here.

I could see a Dallas or Phoenix offering up more... maybe... but finding suitors that are willing to go higher than MLE will be tough this offseason. Others don’t make a lot of sense or don’t have cap space. Maybe Indiana?
 
fishonjazz said:
1-6 from 3 is the biggest issue with Dante. If he can’t shoot the 3 them defenders will sag to stop the drive.

31% from 3 his rookie year.
29% his 3rd year.
16% this year.

Needs to get way better.
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I’m okay with his slow start shooting... sporadic playing time and not in a rthymn yet... I don’t see him being much more than. 30-35% guy... maybe a bit better on spot up uncontested.

Thing about it is you can sag off him and he can still get where he needs to go... it might be better if teams crowd him and make his dribble uncomfortable.
 
Exum is way past being a potential NBA player ...it's how high is his ceiling going to be.

There's more than a few fanz here that think Exum has a very high ceiling and easily believe other teams and GM's see the same. With other teams able to offer Exum a nice contract ,it makes more sense to know that Exum can replicate the play he had against Golden State in last years playoffs. One thing is for sure Exum himself knows what he can do with more minutes and I think his opinion of himself is very high and will go with a team that thinks the same.
 
tleikheen said:
Exum is way past being a potential NBA player ...it's how high is his ceiling going to be.

There's more than a few fanz here that think Exum has a very high ceiling and easily believe other teams and GM's see the same. With other teams able to offer Exum a nice contract ,it makes more sense to know that Exum can replicate the play he had against Golden State in last years playoffs. One thing is for sure Exum himself knows what he can do with more minutes and I think his opinion of himself is very high and will go with a team that thinks the same.
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No, he is not past potential yet. I am a big Exum fan but he has not consistently been a good player in the NBA. Plenty of things good derail his potential to be a good player still. You are not past potential until you have done something significant more than in brief bursts or a game here and there. That is exactly what potential is.
 
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Quin's Murderface said:
It's pretty standard for guys coming off injury to have restricted minutes. There's no doubt that Quin doesn't have a high level of trust for Dante right now as a big minutes contributor. I'd love to see dante get 20+ minutes for a while. Take a few away from Royce. I don't think it's realistic to expect more from Dante this year. But maybe next year he can challenge for a starting spot or at least an even bigger role.
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Anyone thinking that Dante is going to replace Rubio, Mitchell, or Ingles in the starting lineup next year is delusional, but yeah, there is plenty of opportunity for him to work himself into a bigger role. DL stated that one of the reasons for trading Hood was to create minutes for Exum.
 
kabenac said:
I really, really want to sign Exum. I hope we can get him on a good deal. The guy has the tools needed to both score inside, play good defense and get his teammates involved. If he can start hitting the three it will be icing on the cake. I don't think he's going to command crazy money. Money is tight for most teams and Exum is largely unproven. But physically he's there. And I think he's getting over a lot of the timid mental issues from a year or two ago. And I can't see him wanting to play in a large market where the media would be critical of him.
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I don't think there is such a thing as an NBA player who doesn't want to play in a large market, although I do agree with the rest of your post.
 
It's waaay too soon for so much optimism as some here are showing, IMO. Exum just had a good game against the Warriors back-ups. Let's remember Alec Burks: at the age of 22 he was averaging 14 points per game while shooting over 45% from the field. He looked like someone who could become a poor's man Dwyane Wade. In other words: he was a much better prospect! A few years - and a few injuries latter - he has become a "generic" and mediocre shooting guard. Okay... Burks had injuries... but so had Exum. As of now, Exum has shown some flashes of ability coming of his injuries, but that's it. I would wait at least until midway next season before declaring "Exum has arrived!" or anything like that.
 
fishonjazz said:
I not worried at all. We have jingles, Mitchell, and gobert locked up (crowders contract is nice too). We have Snyder. DL.

That’s all that really matters. If we lose X and favs we will replace them. Our core is intact. We look like we will have money to throw at Butler, klay, kahwi, etc. guys like favors and X won’t make or break this team.
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What are the odds we sign one of these players? Who, within reason can we really get to replace Favors? He has been an integral part of this team on both ends. Losing him would be a major blow. I don't think the Jazz should overpay Exum, but they need to estimate what their dollars can actually buy in the alternative. Letting Exum get away over a few million or not pushing to keep Favors (he may be gone regardless) will hurt. Having an extra few million to spend on players we can't get doesn't sound great to me. The Jazz need to take a step forward, not another step back.

Look at 2018 free agents (RFA and UFA) and tell me who you would take over Favors? Gordon? Parker? The offer would need to be high to avoid a match. Gobert is likely going to miss a decent number of games each season, and he and Favors are looking good together on the court, but even more important, Favors has looked great with Gobert off the floor. This team needs a player that can anchor the paint with Gobert off the court. Favors numbers are good this year, and his usage rate is the lowest of his time in Utah. I've never been a huge fan of Favors, I still feel like he doesn't have enough fire, but he is better than any realistic alternative available.

Exum is a wildcard. I see a young and still somewhat inexperienced player with some great physical attributes. I also notice how his passes are right on the money. I think he hits the shooting pocket on passes better than anyone on the team. And as he has shown in the past, his D can be really good. If he can develop a consistent jumper like he had in summer league, it could push this team to the next level. In my estimation, gambling on Exum is one of the best options this team has, and his is exceeding my expectations during this short period back on the court. If the Jazz let him go, they will probably regret it.
 
Exum has been passing better than he has ever in his career thus far, so that's the best thing. Exum is fast/big enough that he can probably learn how to punish people if they sag off him too much.
 
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