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Draft Knight=change offense+lots of Hayward

The Thriller said:
Boozer sucks. Product of Jerry Sloan's system of getting him the ball on the elbow, letting him make a living shooting jumpers, and having the most versatile center in the league by his side. It also helped that he had a franchise PG to create for him. Put him in cleveland and Chicago, and he's nothing more than a decent role player. If that. I think Boozer is quickly making the case that he cannot be a starter in this league. He's too much of a liability both offensively and defensively. Offensively, he cannot score inside. He's too short and soft. Defensively... LOL...

Millsap is ok. But far from a franchise type guy. Without the Jazz's system, he'd be more like Udonis Haslem.

Hibbert is a stiff. Not even close to a top center

Al Jefferson is a loser. Anything but a franchise player.

J-smooth is ok. I don't really consider him a big man.

David Lee is a garbage player who has yet to have a winning season.

Perkins is a joke. A glorified and more serious Fess.

None of these are franchise players. Which is the point I'm getting at. We're talking about franchise potential bigs. The Jazz have one, and it isn't Fess, Memo, Al, or Millsap... He was taken in the top 3 last year. Had he stayed in college, he'd easily be the #1 this year.
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The only franchise PG's are top 5 picks too.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
The only franchise PG's are top 5 picks too.
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This statement is probably mostly true.

But we don't necessarily need Drose to win a championship. At #3, lets try and find our franchise player.

Williams (closest thing to a franchise player in this draft), Kanter (probably the best big man. Doubt he's a franchise player. But he's probably the closest thing we'll find), and unload the pick, should be our 3 options IMO.

Taking a player like Knight, JV, Biyombo, or Jimmer at #3 should be a last resort IMO.
 
The Thriller said:
This statement is probably mostly true.

But we don't necessarily need Drose to win a championship. At #3, lets try and find our franchise player.

Williams (closest thing to a franchise player in this draft), Kanter (probably the best big man. Doubt he's a franchise player. But he's probably the closest thing we'll find), and unload the pick, should be our 3 options IMO.

Taking a player like Knight, JV, Biyombo, or Jimmer at #3 should be a last resort IMO.
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I think it's pretty clear there are no franchise players in this draft. The closest one is Irving, because he has an outside shot of being a dominant true PG like Paul and Williams. We are obviously shooting for a 2nd/3rd option type player. I think either Knight, Kanter, or Walker can be that.
 
Kanter supporters think about this. Let's say Brandon Knight sat out his freshman year of college (like Kanter), how high would his stock be? People would be like "Damn, 2x Gatorade Player of The Year. Only Lebron and Greg Oden (who would of been very good w/o injuries) did that" . It's sad that the lesser known prospects get the hype of "what if".
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After Kanter and Knight I would probably look at Vesely before Kemba. (or replace Vesely with a couple of others)
 
PKM said:
After Kanter and Knight I would probably look at Vesely before Kemba. (or replace Vesely with a couple of others)
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Not no, but hell no to Vesely. Vesely, if he is to succeed in the NBA, it will be entirely dependent on the system he goes to. He could do well in a fast uptempo team that he is allowed to be a PF on. In a half court game he will struggle at PF or SF, and he is a god awful, like Ben Wallace bad, FT shooter.
 
Okay fine, I just don't want Kemba at #3 that's all .. I really don't know a lot about Vesely, Jonas, or the other euros ... would just hop for someone better than Kemba at 3. Knight or Kanter will do though.
 
PKM said:
Okay fine, I just don't want Kemba at #3 that's all .. I really don't know a lot about Vesely, Jonas, or the other euros ... would just hop for someone better than Kemba at 3. Knight or Kanter will do though.
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I think all the Euros have pretty good upside, but Vesely is just terrible IMO. He basically is AK-47, but with way less offensive and defensive skills/instincts, but with more athletic ability/attacking the rim aggressiveness.
 
Just curious if you've watched the youtube of Rivers and Knight going head-to-head? I watched the game on tv live (as Knight had announced for UK at that time). Great matchup, it was.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Kanter supporters think about this. Let's say Brandon Knight sat out his freshman year of college (like Kanter), how high would his stock be? People would be like "Damn, 2x Gatorade Player of The Year. Only Lebron and Greg Oden (who would of been very good w/o injuries) did that" . It's sad that the lesser known prospects get the hype of "what if".
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Beautiful post.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Kanter supporters think about this. Let's say Brandon Knight sat out his freshman year of college (like Kanter), how high would his stock be? People would be like "Damn, 2x Gatorade Player of The Year. Only Lebron and Greg Oden (who would of been very good w/o injuries) did that" . It's sad that the lesser known prospects get the hype of "what if".
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I wouldn't. Brandon Knight looks like a chucking hopper going into college. Having a year to refine his play and cut his hair goes a long way as far as perceptions.

I don't agree in the slightest.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Kanter supporters think about this. Let's say Brandon Knight sat out his freshman year of college (like Kanter), how high would his stock be? People would be like "Damn, 2x Gatorade Player of The Year. Only Lebron and Greg Oden (who would of been very good w/o injuries) did that" . It's sad that the lesser known prospects get the hype of "what if".
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Well, in fairness, it works both ways. There are just as many Kanter naysayers as supporters. I feel my opinion is a bit more substantiated, having seen him play in the past year. Still a risk, but I would take it and not look back. Thankfully for some of you, it's not my decision.
 
JohnStockalypse said:
Beautiful post.
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****, I didn't know this about Knight. I'm sold. I'm being dead serious too. Looking at the last 10 years' winners, most have turned into great or very good NBA players. For Beal, this year's winner and Knight, the jury's still out. But the others, Lebron twice, Howard, Love, Jrue Holiday, and Oden twice tells me I like his chances. Three of those seven winners are all world, one led the league in rebounding, one has been marred by injuries which just flat out sucks, and one is turning into a hell of a pro in Holiday. That's a very impressive group, especially since Knight didn't win it on sheer size and/or athleticism like most of those other guys. Knight's play must have been pretty special for Gatorade to hand him the award again. And his work ethic to get there again speaks volumes.

**** it. Knight at 3.
 
**** it, swap with Cleveland who won't take Knight if they draft Irving, and try to pick up their early 2nd rounder. There could be a bunch of intriguing guys there.

Knight at #4, Singleton at #12 and Parsons, Mirotic or Vucevic with the 2nd rounder.
 
Do the above and trade Harris for Wes and in a year+, we could have:

Knight-Watson
Matthews-Hayward
Singleton-Mirotic-Evans
Jefferson-Millsap
Favors

That's a tight core of 10...
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
****, I didn't know this about Knight. I'm sold. I'm being dead serious too. Looking at the last 10 years' winners, most have turned into great or very good NBA players. For Beal, this year's winner and Knight, the jury's still out. But the others, Lebron twice, Howard, Love, Jrue Holiday, and Oden twice tells me I like his chances. Three of those seven winners are all world, one led the league in rebounding, one has been marred by injuries which just flat out sucks, and one is turning into a hell of a pro in Holiday. That's a very impressive group, especially since Knight didn't win it on sheer size and/or athleticism like most of those other guys. Knight's play must have been pretty special for Gatorade to hand him the award again. And his work ethic to get there again speaks volumes.

**** it. Knight at 3.
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