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Chad Ford on Utah Jazz picks and Jimmer

jazzman12 said:
I think it's starting to become fairly obvious that Kanter is the pick assuming he falls to 3 (which I think he will). I also feel that had Kanter suited up for Kentucky this past season he would be the consensus #1 so I think Utah is extremely lucky to be in position to take him.

KOC has preached the best player available mentality since the Jazz landed @ 3. If he's being honest with that, then there is NO WAY the Jazz take Kemba Walker @3 because regardless of who goes 1 and 2, it's just not possible for Kemba to be the best player available when Utah picks.

I also am starting to feel like Singleton is almost a lock @12 if he is on the board and Utah keeps the pick. If he's off the board, I honestly believe that Utah's next choice is Jimmer.
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I feel dirty for saying this, but I agree with you.
j/k
p.s. I agree with Bentley too.
Not that it matter what I think or who I agree with.
 
How can someone want Jonas or Biyombo but not want Kanter because he's unproven? Can't make this stuff.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I'm hoping for Jonas and Jimmer, or Knight and (hopefully) Bismack falling.
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I'm still interested in Bismack too if he falls.
Jonas I'm still not sure about, even after spending a lot of time researching him. I really like him so I found myself pulling for him but put a gun to my head I have to go with Kanter.
I'm still of the opinion Knight isn't worth the 3rd pick, no matter what Locke says.
 
LOL funny that this article starts off saying the Jazz really love the PG's and you guys interpret that as Kanter is the shoe in. OMG! LOL
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I'm hoping for Jonas and Jimmer, or Knight and (hopefully) Bismack falling.
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Jonas - OK if he's a shot blocking, rebounding, dunking Tyson Chandler type Center. But do you see that in him? If he can be that, then definitely take him there to pair up with Favors.

What do you see in him just out of curiosity?
 
PKM said:
How can someone want Jonas or Biyombo but not want Kanter because he's unproven? Can't make this stuff.
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Uhhh, Jonas lead the EURO league in rebounds per minute THIS YEAR. I'll admit I don't know much about Bismack, but I like his defensive minded aggressiveness.
 
BOX said:
LOL funny that this article starts off saying the Jazz really love the PG's and you guys interpret that as Kanter is the shoe in. OMG! LOL
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I don't interpret it as Kanter is the shoe in. I wish I could. I fear Knight.
 
BOX said:
LOL funny that this article starts off saying the Jazz really love the PG's and you guys interpret that as Kanter is the shoe in. OMG! LOL
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I think the article is drivel. I believe Kanter is the "shoe in" because KOC knows that he only has 1 shot to get this right. Once Utah moved up in the lottery, this #3 pick was destined to be remembered as the center piece of the D-Will trade (even more so than Favors IMO). I have no doubt KOC really likes Knight and Kemba. Probably because he has more film to watch on them and Kanter is still somewhat of an unknown.

With that being said, Kanter has more NBA upside than the other 2. KOC can't ignore that and isn't going to be the guy who traded away D-Will and then passed on a potential franchise Center to boot. I think the only way Utah doesn't land Kanter is if Minnesota falls in love with him and picks him @ 2. However, if Kanter is on the board and KOC passes on him, I would be astonished.
 
Here's an honest question: If everyone hates this draft so much and KOC is honestly enamored with Knight/Kemba why can't he trade up from 12 to grab Enes and Knight/Kemba? The asking price for those picks should be lower than average given the general perception of this draft's weakness right?
 
PKM said:
How can someone want Jonas or Biyombo but not want Kanter because he's unproven? Can't make this stuff.
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You mean two guys that have played actual basketball in the last year? I haven't the foggiest.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Here's an honest question: If everyone hates this draft so much and KOC is honestly enamored with Knight/Kemba why can't he trade up from 12 to grab Enes and Knight/Kemba? The asking price for those picks should be lower than average given the general perception of this draft's weakness right?
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I've thought the EXACT same thing. Couldn't Utah take Kanter @ 3, then package the #12 and Sap (or other pieces) to get back to 5 or 6? I don't see why not.
 
Teams dont like trading away their lottery picks because there is still a CHANCE they can get a good player.
 
jazzman12 said:
I've thought the EXACT same thing. Couldn't Utah take Kanter @ 3, then package the #12 and Sap (or other pieces) to get back to 5 or 6? I don't see why not.
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This idea has been mentioned from people before but Millsap and the #12 is way too much for Knight or Kemba.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Uhhh, Jonas lead the EURO league in rebounds per minute THIS YEAR. I'll admit I don't know much about Bismack, but I like his defensive minded aggressiveness.
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So Kanter dominates for two years (including head-to-head against JV), comes to America, is deemed ineligible, and is now unproven. Jonas rebounds huge this past year and he is the better player. Just getting my facts straight.
 
PKM said:
So Kanter dominates for two years (including head-to-head against JV), comes to America, is deemed ineligible, and is now unproven. Jonas rebounds huge this past year and he is the better player. Just getting my facts straight.
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I dont think anyone is arguing who is better than the other, since it really is impossible to come to this conclusion until the end of next season to the very least. Both assumptions are wrong if you look at it in a certain perspective; sure enes outplayed him a few years ago, but is that to say that JV hasnt improved AT ALL, especially after getting absolutely vital experience playing in the Euroleague, and even leading it in rebounding?? Kenneth Faried might have been better than Millsap in both of their respective high-school stints, but notice the different person Millsap is now; this logic could very well apply to JV. Also, Enes has simply made himself exempt from a years worth of basketball at an age where skills/technique are picked up the quickest, years that really mold what sort of player you will become. I am by no means a JV supporter, or anti-Kanter, we just all need to understand that no one is a safe bet and you cant honestly side with any of these prospects and we all wont know for sure what will happen on June 23rd. I hope for Williams, but Kanter or Knight at 3 certainly isnt bad (unless they bust of course, more likely with Kanter). With the 12th I feel like its more of a crapshoot, and I became fond of Singleton around February when I watched the Seminoles play (one of my fav ACC teams to watch) so I seriously hope Singleton is chosen over any other prospects, but it is all up to KOC in the end.
 
PKM said:
So Kanter dominates for two years (including head-to-head against JV), comes to America, is deemed ineligible, and is now unproven. Jonas rebounds huge this past year and he is the better player. Just getting my facts straight.
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So you're going to tell me that a teenager that hasn't played real basketball in an entire year will be as good or better than he was? Conversely, if a player plays actual basketball, they can't get better?
 
NUMBERICA said:
So you're going to tell me that a teenager that hasn't played real basketball in an entire year will be as good or better than he was? Conversely, if a player plays actual basketball, they can't get better?
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My point precisely, just a lot more concise.
 
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