I like Kanter more than I did earlier when all the draft talk started getting bigger, but there is still something that just says bust to me about him.
2011 draft.....
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BENTLEY
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I would think they could trade down to get him but if he wows the Jazz brass he'll probably wow other brass as well and might need to be taken at the 3rd pick. But this isn't happening anyway. There's stuff to like about Bismack but there's also reason to be hesitant - at least at 3 when they have other options.
A-Train (old)
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I agree, the problem is Biyombo probably will not be there at #12, also one huge reason why I brought up the idea is draftexpress who covers international players much more than anyone else has Bismack #3 on their big board. The Jazz have said over and over again that they will take the best player available at #3, not according to draftexpress that would be Biyombo. A front-court of Biyombo, Favors, and Millsap or Jefferson sounds very appealing to me, it will be interesting to see what the Jazz think about Biyombo after scouting and having him workout for them in Europe when they go up there to see a lot of the international players. If the Jazz take Bismack at #3 I would trust them because they are only going to take him there if they truly believe he was the best player available meaning he is better than Knight and Kanter.
If he busts, it's because he moves slower than other NBA players. That said, I think he's still going to be a good rebounder and inside scoring option. He and Favors could be a dominant front court to wear other teams down.
I think the two most likely scenarios are Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12 or Knight at 3 with Singleton at 12.
The first our Rotation would be
Harris/Fredette
Hayward/Bell/Fredette
CJ/Millsap/ AK?
Favors/Millsap
Jefferson/Kanter/ Memo?
This roster is unbalance with too many bigs. So either Millsap is becoming a SF or you need to make a trade a big for wing.
The second scenario the rotation is
Harris/Knight
Hayward/Bell/Knight
CJ/Singleton
Favors/Millsap
Jefferson/Favors/ Memo?
The first our Rotation would be
Harris/Fredette
Hayward/Bell/Fredette
CJ/Millsap/ AK?
Favors/Millsap
Jefferson/Kanter/ Memo?
This roster is unbalance with too many bigs. So either Millsap is becoming a SF or you need to make a trade a big for wing.
The second scenario the rotation is
Harris/Knight
Hayward/Bell/Knight
CJ/Singleton
Favors/Millsap
Jefferson/Favors/ Memo?
I mean, I don't think he's as slow as Okur.
Fishsticks
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This fully supports my theory that you have never watched any player you bash ehhmm, knight. And that you look at player comparisons on nba draft net to influence your decision. Btw.. Did you notice nbadraft.net. Changed knight to jrue holiday as the best comparison. I bet you will never be able to resist him now. Oh wait they say marshall wil be mark jackson so lets just wait till next year.
A-Train (old)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxKzucNsTo&feature=player_embedded
BENTLEY
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Really? I projected Knight to be like Jrue Holiday awhile ago. Hmm, even if it's from nbadarft.net it's nice to get a little validation.
You have a theory on me, huh? Thanks for the contribution to my narcissistic supply. You could just ask me, I'm not hiding the fact that I haven't seen many of these guys play (just highlights). And I believe I said I've never seen Singleton play a game. Again, just highlights, - which is why I need to absorb all the conflicting opinions on him and weigh the arguments against each other, against his stats, against the highlight footage, against his performance at the combine and in private workouts, etc. It's much more difficult than having actually seen him play in a game, but the draft is in June and he's not playing a game before then so I'll just have to do the best with what I've got access to.
But Knight is one I actually have seen play - which is why I, who has a rep as a "flip flopper," am pretty concrete when it comes to Knight. I think he's a nice player, certainly clutch, but I was never all that impressed with his running of the Kentucky offense. He merely looked like a decent PG, not elite IMO. I'd prefer to wait for something better or something that wouldn't cost a top 5 pick. But I do think Jrue Holiday is a good comparison, and I like Holiday so I like Knight -but just not with the 3rd pick. And the Jazz aren't gonna get Knight unless they take him there, which again I consider a waste of a high pick.
That's my assessment. How do I make it up to you?
Sheesh - I get grief for changing my mind on players, and then I get grief for not changing my mind on players. I'm gonna cry.
Zerol
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Heat being in the Finals led me to research them a little bit more, and I found that Wade was ruled ineligible for his freshman year in college. He came back strong in his 2nd and 3rd years in college and we all know where he is now in the NBA. That eases the thought of drafting Kanter for me a little bit.
prodigy
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I would too but it seems so unlikely a guy ranked #3 on DX top prospects lists fell that far unless there was something medically wrong with him
Otherwise i think the lowest he goes his #8 and the Pistons would be all over that, they are in serious need of a defensive big
underKANTER
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first, they said kanter would have knee problems but the fact is this (they read 'bad knees' somewhere and every draft site copy pasted it cause they didn't have enough information about him. funny, cause no one could tell what his knee problems really were):
Givony: NBA Combine medical examination results are slowly trickling out. We must proceed w/caution, but appears Enes Kanter's knee checked out fine
https://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/s...76511570628608
Givony: Internet reports indicated that Enes Kanter has bad knees. It appears that they were unsubstantiated. Not a nice thing to speculate about...
https://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/s...77208680734720
then, they said he would be slow and not athletic:
but in fact, his max vert is 32.5, 3/4 court sprint is 3.26, lane agility is 11.3.
in comparison: boozer (28.5 / 10.77 / 3.31), bosh (33.0 / 11.8 / 3.30), chandler (33.5 / 12.13 / 3.36), mcgee (32.5 / 12.5 / 3.25). in addition, kanter has a 7-2 wingspan and a 9-2 standing reach and is in fact an athlete. his numbers look similar to bosh, chandler and the same as mcgee. still someone saying that he is unathletic and slow? he is still growing and i think he will become a legit 7 footer with a weight around 270 lbs within 3-4 years but an incredible mobile, quick and quite an athlete one. there is no reason along with his iq, skillset, character and work-ethic, that he will be a bust. he is a 'sure' thing imo. even if there are haters, facts are proving you wrong.
Givony: NBA Combine medical examination results are slowly trickling out. We must proceed w/caution, but appears Enes Kanter's knee checked out fine
https://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/s...76511570628608
Givony: Internet reports indicated that Enes Kanter has bad knees. It appears that they were unsubstantiated. Not a nice thing to speculate about...
https://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/s...77208680734720
then, they said he would be slow and not athletic:
but in fact, his max vert is 32.5, 3/4 court sprint is 3.26, lane agility is 11.3.
in comparison: boozer (28.5 / 10.77 / 3.31), bosh (33.0 / 11.8 / 3.30), chandler (33.5 / 12.13 / 3.36), mcgee (32.5 / 12.5 / 3.25). in addition, kanter has a 7-2 wingspan and a 9-2 standing reach and is in fact an athlete. his numbers look similar to bosh, chandler and the same as mcgee. still someone saying that he is unathletic and slow? he is still growing and i think he will become a legit 7 footer with a weight around 270 lbs within 3-4 years but an incredible mobile, quick and quite an athlete one. there is no reason along with his iq, skillset, character and work-ethic, that he will be a bust. he is a 'sure' thing imo. even if there are haters, facts are proving you wrong.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I think the knight holiday comparison is spot on. I agree that 3 is to high. Jazz are either going to get Kanter or Williams. As far as singleton goes I am not completely off the singleton band wagon but I got on when I saw ACC defensive player of the year. That is quite the honor.
I am moving Hamilton up my draft board. It is a love hate relationship.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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At 3 it is a 3 person choice with 4 options
Williams
Kanter
Knight
Options
Use the pick on one of those 3
Trade down pick up another asset or pick
Trade out for a vet
Trade out for a pick next year
I think one of those top 2 is the direction the jazz should go if the keep the pick. If, as we read, the jazz are in love with walker trade down and get another asset. I don't particulary like getting the vet because I think we need to rebuild 1 more year.
Williams
Kanter
Knight
Options
Use the pick on one of those 3
Trade down pick up another asset or pick
Trade out for a vet
Trade out for a pick next year
I think one of those top 2 is the direction the jazz should go if the keep the pick. If, as we read, the jazz are in love with walker trade down and get another asset. I don't particulary like getting the vet because I think we need to rebuild 1 more year.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I've decided I want Kanter with the third pick. If he is picked first or second I want us to trade down get other assets, and take knight.
If some websites are to believed you might need to include Walker on that list as well. If Vesely goes big in the Serbian finals who knows with him as well.
Dude's only going away if the Jazz don't draft Kanter. Which is sounding more appealing by the second now.