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Jazz Free Agency Summer of 2018

Ellis269 said:
Nope. I wouldn’t give up a 1st. Take the future cap space and some 2nd round picks or leave it. The Jazz need to be focused on adding guys who fit our timeline to maximize the rise of Spida Mitchell. Throwing away assets and all of our cap space for a 2year rental is bad business. Satisfies fans, but doesn’t help the Jazz become contenders. I’d rather bring back Favors and Exum and then go after Mirotic next year than dump more than we have to into getting Love.
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Two year rental? Really? Two years of a top 5 PF in the league is a pretty damn good haul for 1 frp and players we do not need. Rudy and Joe have only got 3 years left on their deals. Are they now 3 year rentals we should just ship for picks that we theoretically would control for 7 years?
 
Hedda Gambler said:
The only realistic way to get Parker is to do a double sign and trade with Favors. This is really hard as both players have to agree and come to terms with their new teams. If we keep Favors, we could use Burks as a salary filler and give up future picks. We would then have a front court trio of Gobert, Favors and Parker. That would be really, really sweet, but I doubt that Favors and Parker would enjoy this situation.
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Yes. although Jabari has to be getting some humble pie right now... maybe he would be okay coming off the bench. It would be a better situation than the qualifying offer in Milwaukee where he's already burned some bridges... and will be behind Giannis an Middleton.

I would think Atlanta would jump in here.
 
At the trade deadline, we always talk about draft day trades. On draft day, we talk about off-season signings and trades. In the off-season, we talk about trade deadline moves. We kick the can, always seeing the desert mirage of water on the horizon. Things are complicated and you can't unilaterally decide we're going to do something, but I wish we'd at least acknowledge that rather than justifying our decisions today based off of "there's some water out there on the horizon!" We could certainly make moves in the future, but our track record speaks against that. If Hood wasn't requesting a trade, would he have ever been moved? It was the right thing to move him, but I fear that the decision was made because he wanted out rather than us realizing it was the right move. Right now the right move is to let Favors have a better opportunity.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I also think having Favs on a good deal helps us mid season when the Clips trade Tobias Harris. Using his good salary and a 1st should be close to a market rate offer when that team goes to ****.
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With all due respect - we didn't just send our delegation to Atlanta to woo a player to come back so we can trade him in 6 months.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
Two year rental? Really? Two years of a top 5 PF in the league is a pretty damn good haul for 1 frp and players we do not need. Rudy and Joe have only got 3 years left on their deals. Are they now 3 year rentals we should just ship for picks that we theoretically would control for 7 years?
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Yeah. He’s making +$25 million and isn’t getting any younger (or cheaper) by coming to Utah. He’s a great player, and would be a solid addition. But I don’t see him as being “the missing piece” and I don’t think the Jazz should give up any unnecessary assets until they find that piece.

Now, if the argument is that you can trade for him, rehab his value and then trade him for a better piece next year. . . that’s a more interesting idea. I just don’t see it as being likely.
 
gomretat said:
So the option is don't try? You miss all of the shots you don't take. In retrospect it does seem obvious but I think very few thought that at the time. IMO it was well worth the risk to do it they way they did. If failing on a free agent means you are stupid then every team in the NBA has that same problem so we have lots of company.
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I was certain Hayward was staying.
 
LoPo said:
With all due respect - we didn't just send our delegation to Atlanta to woo a player to come back so we can trade him in 6 months.
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K... we will never trade him... we spent several hundred dollars on a flight and killed a day in Atlanta...

We flew out and met with Otto porter last year too... it's part of the business and has no bearing on what we do in the future.
 
I liked when Donovan interviewed Love at the NBA finals. He seems like a cool guy. I wouldn't mind him with us.
 
infection said:
At the trade deadline, we always talk about draft day trades. On draft day, we talk about off-season signings and trades. In the off-season, we talk about trade deadline moves. We kick the can, always seeing the desert mirage of water on the horizon. Things are complicated and you can't unilaterally decide we're going to do something, but I wish we'd at least acknowledge that rather than justifying our decisions today based off of "there's some water out there on the horizon!" We could certainly make moves in the future, but our track record speaks against that. If Hood wasn't requesting a trade, would he have ever been moved? It was the right thing to move him, but I fear that the decision was made because he wanted out rather than us realizing it was the right move. Right now the right move is to let Favors have a better opportunity.
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There is a lot of truth to this... I had been critical of DL in part because we had to push in at some point and had opportunities. I think our timeline is such that we can be patient right now. I think flexibility this trade deadline and offseason are critical.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
K... we will never trade him... we spent several hundred dollars on a flight and killed a day in Atlanta...

We flew out and met with Otto porter last year too... it's part of the business and has no bearing on what we do in the future.
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Yeah, but everything about getting Favors is built on loyalty. It's about chemistry. What message does it send to the other players that you went out of your way to keep him in 2018, woo him back in 2018 free agency and then just trade him in early 2019?

Mitchell is watching everything we're doing. We know he's a fan of Thabo. We know he's a fan of Favors.
 
str8line said:
We have a chance to go for a title this year. No BS. That's the mentality we need ATM.

WITH KEVIN LOVE WE ARE A LEGITIMATE THREAT FOR A NBA TITLE THIS YEAR. Or with Jabari playing well. We are that ****ing close.
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I would agree except golden state is probably the best team in the history of the nba.

It would take the jazz getting Lebron to be a threat for a chip.

Only caveat is if the warriors have a couple bad injuries.
 
infection said:
At the trade deadline, we always talk about draft day trades. On draft day, we talk about off-season signings and trades. In the off-season, we talk about trade deadline moves. We kick the can, always seeing the desert mirage of water on the horizon. Things are complicated and you can't unilaterally decide we're going to do something, but I wish we'd at least acknowledge that rather than justifying our decisions today based off of "there's some water out there on the horizon!" We could certainly make moves in the future, but our track record speaks against that. If Hood wasn't requesting a trade, would he have ever been moved? It was the right thing to move him, but I fear that the decision was made because he wanted out rather than us realizing it was the right move. Right now the right move is to let Favors have a better opportunity.
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Let's be honest in our assessment of the Jazz. We were arguably the best team in the league for the second half of last season. We beat a experienced OKC team with Westbrook, PG and Adams. We stole a game from Houston without our starting PG and Thabo. We handed GS their azz during the regular season.

All this talk of our window being two years out is wrong IMO. Our window opens right now. Add a healthy and well-playing Love or Parker to our team(not to mention Don in his second year, Dante blossoming, etc.) and I like our chances against Houston for sure. Or anyone really, except GS. But if GS loses Steph or Durant to injury... we could be in the NBA finals.

Am I high? I really feel we are that good and stacked with talent.
 
Hedda Gambler said:
So would I and I suspect most others on here. If you could just show us how this would be possible, I`ll sign up.
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Help the Bucks get Kevin Love while we get Jabari Parker. Something like (if possible):

Bucks get Love
Cavs get Burks (expiring), Thon Maker, DJ Wilson, draft considerations from Bucks, draft considerations from us
Jazz get Parker
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92 I don't know if you can do a 3 way trade, but if we renounce Favors, this is possible it seems.
 
It will be interesting to me how many teams are trying to set themselves up for 3-4 years down the road when the Dubs/Rockets/Lakers/Thunder all encounter father time and contractual issues. The state of the NBA in 2022/23 will look much different than the state of today.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Here’s an idea, sign Favors let some other team deal with the no defense, shell of his former self, overpaid Parker, in two years we win a chip
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I still think that the best move is to bring back Favors and Exum, and then try to trade Burks for Carroll.

I was all for going after Hezonja, but with him off the board, I’m curious about who might be worth a one year MLE deal. Tyreke Evans? Bjelly?
 
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