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Catchall said:
Kanter should be able to rebound like Boozer. I think that's where the comparison must come from.

BTW, I'll bet Jordan Hamilton is pretty high on the Jazz's list at #12. He and Hayward would be two solid, versatile wings.
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Hamilton and Hayward would make for two deadly shooting wing starters, which would be a nice change from the last 10 years.
 
I like Jordan Hamilton but I hope all the ones who say they want him don't bash CJ. Hamilton is a volume shooter and gets tunnel vision a lot. Just a heads up!
 
chitownjazz said:
I like Jordan Hamilton but I hope all the ones who say they want him don't bash CJ. Hamilton is a volume shooter and gets tunnel vision a lot. Just a heads up!
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Yeah, that is definitely a possibility. Hamilton seems more to have more of a pure shot though. CJ(at his best) is putting the ball on the floor and attacking the rim.
 
Article on Knight

https://walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseasonblog2011_0602.php

This article is from walterfootball.com. I like these guys when it comes to fantasy football so I checked their nba stuff and found this article on Knight. It actually captures my feelings on Knight quite well. I'm not a hater - I just want more value out the 3rd pick.
2011 NBA Draft Combine Coverage: Brandon Knight Worth Third Overall Pick? - June 2


It has been well publicized that the 2011 NBA Draft is bad; historically bad like Dana Carvey's movie Master of Disguise. And while Kentucky freshman point guard Brandon Knight had a great freshman season, it is hard to hard to believe that he is worthy of being the third-overall pick by the Utah Jazz like many 2011 NBA Mock Drafts are projecting.

Knight played an integral part in helping Kentucky reach the Final Four this season. He led the team in scoring, assists and three-pointers, but he is hardly a sure thing once he gets to the NBA.

"I think I've proven myself on the court," Knight said at the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago. "The most important thing for me is to just work hard and keep having good workouts."

The Utah Jazz hold the third overall pick and most mock drafts project Knight being the pick since they need a backup for Devin Harris as well as a capable scorer at guard. But there are certainly some questions regarding Knight's transition to the NBA.


For starters, Knight turned the ball over at a high rate, averaging 3.2 turnovers per game compared to just 4.2 assists. He exclusively played the point for the Wildcats but is far from a proven floor general and could actually play some two guard at the next level due to his ability to shoot the basketball.

"I feel I can play both positions," Knight told me. "But I see myself as a point guard."

Knight's decision to turn pro was not surprising especially since Kentucky has highly touted point guard recruit Marquis Teague joining the fray next season. Teague's addition likely would have pushed Knight to play more two guard next season which may have stunted Knight's development some in becoming a true point guard.

"Once I made my decision, I didn't want to waver on it," Knight stated. "Once I made it, that was it. I love Kentucky and the fans there, and the coaching staff."



Knight now becomes the next in line of John Calipari-coached point guards who will enter the league with high expectations; carrying the torch previously held by Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans and last year's top overall pick, John Wall. Following in the footsteps of that trio might be daunting to some, but not Knight.

"I think that pressure is more so at Kentucky. What the Kentucky fans expected knowing who had come before me. Just people who have watched Coach Cal's guards from before and what they expected. I think pressure was more so then than now."

While it might sound like I am hating on Knight, that is not the case at all. I think he will be a solid pro given the time to improve his point guard skills especially in the half court. I just think there are better overall prospects available with third pick in the 2011 NBA Mock Draft.

In fact, I have Kemba Walker ranked higher on my point guard rankings but since Knight was a more consistent outside shooter than Walker in college, it makes the former Wildcat point guard a better fit with the Jazz who need a point guard who can stroke it from distance since that is not Harris' strength. I also think former Kentucky commit Enes Kanter is a better prospect than Knight, but the Jazz need guard help more than they need size, which is why they could pass on the Turkish big man.

Like current Jazz post player and last year's third-overall pick Derrick Favors, Knight will need time before he becomes an impact player in the NBA. When you are taken that high, even in a weak draft class, that is what will be expected of Knight.
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Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Well a 6'9 Dwight Howard is going to be much less effective than a (near) 7 foot Dwight Howard. Still good, but he near as dominant, so it's not that unrealistic.

Kanter's basement seems a bit unfair. I guess he is comparing how physically they are both very impressive, but maybe the ability/IQ to use it in game isn't there.
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I'd take a 4'2 Jordan
 
Drafttec has Cleveland taking pick one and two in their mock draft based on the following trade they feel is all but a done deal:

DET-MIN-CLE trade
This week we simulate a popular trade rumor that's been in circulation as of late. Goes like this - Detroit gives up their #8 overall to Cleveland in exchange for the Cavs assuming the big contract of Rip Hamilton. The Cavaliers would then trade the #8 (from Detroit) and their own #4 to Minnesota for the T-Wolves #2. Cleveland would then possess the top 2 picks in the draft. Our mock draft below simulates how the NBA draft might play out under that trade scenario. They have Cleveland taking Irving and Williams one and two. They have us taking Knight at 3 and Minnesota taking Kanter at 4 and Jordan Hamilton at 8.

I fully expect Minnesota to trade the number 2 pick to someone and the above trade may be it.
 
jazzrule said:
Drafttec has Cleveland taking pick one and two in their mock draft based on the following trade they feel is all but a done deal:

DET-MIN-CLE trade
This week we simulate a popular trade rumor that's been in circulation as of late. Goes like this - Detroit gives up their #8 overall to Cleveland in exchange for the Cavs assuming the big contract of Rip Hamilton. The Cavaliers would then trade the #8 (from Detroit) and their own #4 to Minnesota for the T-Wolves #2. Cleveland would then possess the top 2 picks in the draft. Our mock draft below simulates how the NBA draft might play out under that trade scenario. They have Cleveland taking Irving and Williams one and two. They have us taking Knight at 3 and Minnesota taking Kanter at 4 and Jordan Hamilton at 8.

I fully expect Minnesota to trade the number 2 pick to someone and the above trade may be it.
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Doesn't Detroit get anything other then getting rid of Rip?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Well a 6'9 Dwight Howard is going to be much less effective than a (near) 7 foot Dwight Howard. Still good, but he near as dominant, so it's not that unrealistic.
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You don't block shots, rebound, or score with the top of your head though. Biyombo's length and innate strength would allow him to be an above-average C just in terms of size without even factoring in his quickness and explosiveness. Thanks to his relatively short legs for a player of his reach, he has elite footspeed, quick and powerful leaping ability, and general strength with a low center of gravity.

I'm not saying he will be Dwight, but I could see him being close to the same player. It's not like Dwight came into the league all roiding huge with a polished game of any kind either. As far as I can glean, he was drafted for his physical attributes and good head on his shoulders.
 
Just watched the Charles Jenkins interview on DX. Impressive. If he and Reggie Jackson are really around in the late 1st/early 2nd, I would hope the Jazz would buy a pick to get one of them, especially if neither of their first two picks is used on a point guard. Both are strong and can shoot lights out. Could be perfect in two guard sets flanked by Gordon Hayward.
 
Ok, based on the measurements at DX:

Dwight Howard
240 lbs.
6' 9" w/out shoes
6' 10.25" with shoes
7' 4.5" wingspan
9' 3.5" standing reach


Bismack Biyombo
240 lbs.
6' 7.75" w/out shoes
6' 9" with shoes
7' 7" wingspan
? Standing reach

since it didn't give Bismack's standing reach I compared his height to Dwight (- 1.25")
And then compared his wingspan (+ 2.5")

You look at height and the reflex is to shy away from Biyombo, but as long as he keeps his hands in the air Bismack can actually reach 1.25" higher than Dwight.

This aint exact or anything and maybe we'll get Bismack's actual standing reach outta EuroCamp soon, but based on this little exercise the description on DX of a "6' 9" version of Dwight Howard" might be misleading one into thinking you're getting a "Dwight lite." Bismack's standing reach is probably longer than Dwight's.
 
GVC said:
Just watched the Charles Jenkins interview on DX. Impressive. If he and Reggie Jackson are really around in the late 1st/early 2nd, I would hope the Jazz would buy a pick to get one of them, especially if neither of their first two picks is used on a point guard. Both are strong and can shoot lights out. Could be perfect in two guard sets flanked by Gordon Hayward.
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I love both these guys - just not at pick 3. Same with Knight. There are pretty impressive guys at PG later in drafts. Since every pick is a gamble, gamble on a PG later. When it comes to frontline talent you gotta gamble a lottery pick.
 
GVC said:
Just watched the Charles Jenkins interview on DX. Impressive. If he and Reggie Jackson are really around in the late 1st/early 2nd, I would hope the Jazz would buy a pick to get one of them, especially if neither of their first two picks is used on a point guard. Both are strong and can shoot lights out. Could be perfect in two guard sets flanked by Gordon Hayward.
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Have the Jazz ever bought a pick?
 
BENTLEY said:
I love both these guys - just not at pick 3. Same with Knight. There are pretty impressive guys at PG later in drafts. Since every pick is a gamble, gamble on a PG later. When it comes to frontline talent you gotta gamble a lottery pick.
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Obviously the Jazz wouldn't pick either at 3 or 12. Late 1st round picks can be bought, so I'd hope the Jazz would make a play for one of them if they have the chance.
 
BENTLEY said:
Ok, based on the measurements at DX:

Dwight Howard
240 lbs.
6' 9" w/out shoes
6' 10.25" with shoes
7' 4.5" wingspan
9' 3.5" standing reach


Bismack Biyombo
240 lbs.
6' 7.75" w/out shoes
6' 9" with shoes
7' 7" wingspan
? Standing reach

since it didn't give Bismack's standing reach I compared his height to Dwight (- 1.25")
And then compared his wingspan (+ 2.5")

You look at height and the reflex is to shy away from Biyombo, but as long as he keeps his hands in the air Bismack can actually reach 1.25" higher than Dwight.

This aint exact or anything and maybe we'll get Bismack's actual standing reach outta EuroCamp soon, but based on this little exercise the description on DX of a "6' 9" version of Dwight Howard" might be misleading one into thinking you're getting a "Dwight lite." Bismack's standing reach is probably longer than Dwight's.
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FWIW, Biyombo's standing reach was measured at the Nike Hoop summit at 9'3'' (https://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Measurements-3661/). The dude has plenty of size, strength and athleticism to play the 5 in today's NBA. He could be an absolute beast.
 
BENTLEY said:
https://walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseasonblog2011_0602.php

This article is from walterfootball.com. I like these guys when it comes to fantasy football so I checked their nba stuff and found this article on Knight. It actually captures my feelings on Knight quite well. I'm not a hater - I just want more value out the 3rd pick.
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Just to nitpick on the quote about this being a historically bad draft. Obviously, it does not look good, but you have to give a draft at least three years later before we really know. What if 3 or 4 of the intl players turn into stars.
 
GVC said:
FWIW, Biyombo's standing reach was measured at the Nike Hoop summit at 9'3'' (https://www.draftexpress.com/article/2011-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Measurements-3661/). The dude has plenty of size, strength and athleticism to play the 5 in today's NBA. He could be an absolute beast.
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Oh thanks GVC. It looks like Bismack's standing reach is a half inch shorter than Dwight's, so my conclusion was way off. Nevertheless, the difference between the two is miniscule.
 
GVC said:
Just watched the Charles Jenkins interview on DX. Impressive. If he and Reggie Jackson are really around in the late 1st/early 2nd, I would hope the Jazz would buy a pick to get one of them, especially if neither of their first two picks is used on a point guard. Both are strong and can shoot lights out. Could be perfect in two guard sets flanked by Gordon Hayward.
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I'm on the Jenkins bandwagon. If the Jazz are acquiring a third pick to get him, then I'd go ahead and do it even if we draft Knight. Then you can trade the **** out of Harris (Matthews, please). Knight's ability to play some minutes at the 2 justifies picking both of these high-character guys.
 
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