A bunch of Biyombo game footage videos
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Wow, obviously, there are more than a few people on here who are quite clueless about Eaton's effectiveness, and obviously they never watched him play. If Eaton could play now, he would be defensive MVP every year. Who cares if he was slow? WHen you are that tall with that reach, and you have good instincts and hand speed, like Eaton did, you will be a dominating force. If they had allowed zone when Eaton played, Utah would have won championships and the NBA's transition into a outside shooting league would have started in the 80's instead of the late 90's. Olajuwon himself said he hated playing Eaton more than any other player.
SojoDave
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The rumor is that BB is 22 years old. He definitely doesn't look 18. He has no offensive skills whatsoever, but what scares me more is that he doesn't look likehe has god hands. Good hands are essential in rebounding and if all he can do is block shots, he wil not get very many minutes.
From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Finding-a-Niche-For-Bismack-Biyombo-3683/#ixzz1P4t98VKp
https://www.draftexpress.com
I guess you can believe what you want to believe.
If you watch the game footage you can exactly how good his hands are. I regard his hands as average for an NBA big man. He catches most passes and can rebound most balls he gets both hands on. As a comparison Derrick Favors has exceptionally good hands. Greg Ostertag had poor hands.
vslice02
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Sene was a center while Biyombo is a 6-9 PF (who can play center at times). It's alot easier to get minutes when you're an unskilled PF who can out-hustle, crash the boards, defend screen-roll and cover alot of ground defensively than an unskilled 7-footer who gets pushed around underneath the rim.
And any Eaton/Biyombo comparison is absurd.
jimmy eat jazz
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Double post. Sorry.
jimmy eat jazz
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Amen to that. The rhetoric about this guy gets a little absurd at times.
But then I remember that many on this board (not necessarily any of the Biyombo fans) also thought Koufas was the bee's knees, while others have argued that Fesenko was the key to winning. Just a couple things to keep in mind when reading the overheated rhetoric about Biyombo.
I suppose, but if you're drafting Biyombo, you're assuming he can play C full-time with his offensive skill (or lack thereof). Biyombo has to play around the basket offensively, so whoever he's playing next to there needs to be able to stretch the floor a bit. I think the Ben Wallace comparison has been clubbed to death, but it's the most realistic positive projection I've heard.
He has the size and quickness to pull off both positions and positions sometimes are a bit of an unnecessary technicality.
Joe Bagadonuts
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The reason Eaton comes up was that he was a defensive presence and an offensive liability. I think that's where Biyombo is right now, though clearly their games are very different. Back in Eaton's day they could pull him outside the three point line at the offensive end and create illegal defenses on the opposing team. With Biyombo we have to hope that his athleticism results in slam dunks if they try to cheat off of him because he's probably not ever going to be a jump shooter.
Here's a cool thought; The Jazz might be perfectly situated in how to maximize Biyombo (eventually).
Let's operate off the assumption that Millsap is no longer a starter, plays 8-10 minutes less per game, and can marry his former wrecking crew persona (because he's playing lesser competition a lot of the time, and fewer minutes, thus he would have more energy and wouldn't have to worry about foul-trouble as much) to his new-found skill. If you're playing Biyombo late in the game and the other team adopts a hack-a-'mack philosophy, ****ing let them. Get them in the penalty, pull Biyombo, then put in Millsap to close the game. In addition to that, if Memo resurrects himself and can be salvaged for a couple of years, he'd be a perfect complement to Biyombo.
The End.
Let's operate off the assumption that Millsap is no longer a starter, plays 8-10 minutes less per game, and can marry his former wrecking crew persona (because he's playing lesser competition a lot of the time, and fewer minutes, thus he would have more energy and wouldn't have to worry about foul-trouble as much) to his new-found skill. If you're playing Biyombo late in the game and the other team adopts a hack-a-'mack philosophy, ****ing let them. Get them in the penalty, pull Biyombo, then put in Millsap to close the game. In addition to that, if Memo resurrects himself and can be salvaged for a couple of years, he'd be a perfect complement to Biyombo.
The End.
Joe Bagadonuts
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^Love it.
trigg3r
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Your glasses are too rosy on this one. Biyombo is a major project. Of course at 12 he would be a steal in a weak draft. I don't see your argument working out. I think Paul will not want to play with the 2nd unit again(no proof, just think he fashions himself a starter now). I think Okur's career is next to over. Paul very well could be traded if he is unwilling to go back to the bench. The "hack a smack" game plan will work for them late in games in Biyombo is in. We'll see what happens at the 3rd pick. If we take Kanter, I don't see them taking Biyombo at 12 even if he is the BPA.
vslice02
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Agree, I think of Ben Wallace as the ceiling. I think someone like a Joel Anthony is closer to the basement, but if 2 years from now you end up with a more athletic, bouncier, above-the-rim shotblocking Joel Anthony out of the 12th pick - I think that'd still be a very solid shoice.
This. I'm mostly still on the Biyombo bandwagon, but Numberica, since you're the most enthusiastic about Biyombo, please address this.
After watching and and re-watching BB video I noticed that he looks very unfocused in his workouts. He never was at 100%. Drastic difference with in-game footage where he is physical and explosive.
This makes me wondering if he is at 100% in gym environment. He maybe just not used to it. He may have problems in the NBA earning a spot through hard work as it was the case with Fesenko.
This makes me wondering if he is at 100% in gym environment. He maybe just not used to it. He may have problems in the NBA earning a spot through hard work as it was the case with Fesenko.
jimmy eat jazz
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How many good seasons did Wallace have? A few with Detroit, but he flamed out quickly. He strikes me as a system guy; did great in the Detroit system surrounded by the right teammates, but his descent was rapid and pronounced.
I'm just citing this from memory, though, so I may not have it 100% right.
Archie Moses
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Biyombo was exposed in a workout.
Amaechi wants pics.
vslice02
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4-time defensive player of the year, 4-time All-Star, All-defensive team 6 times, top-10 in blocks 7 times, top-10 in rebounding and blocks 7 times. Wasn't worth the 4-year $60 million contract the Bulls gave him - but by that time he was 32. Don't think Biyombo will be as good as Big Ben - but if you think he can be half the defensive player Wallace was - you draft him without worrying about how he'll play when he's 32.
Not sure he'll ever be a quality starter - but could definitely envision him as a solid, difference-making role player - which isn't any worse than most of the other players who should be available for the Jazz at #12.
billyshelby
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Not just a solid choice. An absolute no brainer. I think he's going to be better than Ibaka defensively, but probably not as good offensively. The bigger point is I've been racking my brain trying to think of the last guy coming into the league who I was absolutely sure would be an impact defensive center. I know there must have been somebody before Duncan, maybe Okafor, but that's how rare guys like him are.