He said “dead mother”...
As for trump hate. I prefer to keep my head and wits about me
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Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire
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He said “dead mother”...
As for trump hate. I prefer to keep my head and wits about me
I also lost my mother to cancer. Again, way to early. We didn’t find it u til 2 months before she died.
Sorry, Joe. That’s rough
Zombie
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Did you also attend an all boys school?
Anyway, even if he did manage to round up 65 women who knew him in high school, they certainly weren't all in a position to know whether or not the specific allegation is true. Seems like the sort of thing that should be sorted out before he gets a lifetime appointment to our highest court.
RandyForRubio
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If only we had found out about this months ago, right?!
This was intentionally done at the last minute. Pretty damn obvious.
Zombie
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Even if that's the case, that doesn't let him off the hook.
I'll take the other view. The idea that a Supreme Court appointment could be delayed or denied on account of an anonymous allegation of sexual misconduct between two minors that took place more than 30 years ago is absurd. If a crime was committed it should have been reported. It's likely that no civil or criminal action could happen due to a statute of limitations in the state in which the alleged incident took place. This would be another case of "me too" taken to an extreme, where the defendant has no means by which to defend himself.
What the democrats probably want to do is continue to delay the confirmation process, preferably all the way until the next election cycle, and see if they can buy some time to win a few more seats in either house of Congress. In the meantime, they're reaching to cast aspersions on a judge who by all accounts has a long and solid record of service.
What the democrats probably want to do is continue to delay the confirmation process, preferably all the way until the next election cycle, and see if they can buy some time to win a few more seats in either house of Congress. In the meantime, they're reaching to cast aspersions on a judge who by all accounts has a long and solid record of service.
Zombie
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Why is it absurd? There's not a pressing matter that requires an appointment, there are in fact 9 justices right now, and it wasn't so long ago we went over a year with just 8. He's not owed a Supreme Court seat, and I happen to think that lifetime positions with that much power should be held by individuals that are beyond reproach. There are plenty of other red flags with this guy as well. He wasn't impressive by any standard during the confirmation hearings, and there's still the unresolved matter of his 6 figure sports ticket and credit card debt disappearing with no accounting for where that money came from.
And as for the me too movement getting out of control, men have been skating on this **** for centuries. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the me too movement is getting too extreme. That's just ********.
RandyForRubio
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I agree. But if we’re being honest, the tactics here look a bit shady.
And how are they going to prove it? Kavanaugh and the other person involved deny it, they have 65 character witnesses who say they never heard about it, doesn’t seem like him at the time, etc, and there’s no physical proof. I mean, what are we expecting out of this?
RandyForRubio
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If Feinstein actually thought this was credible, why wouldn’t she have brought it up months ago when she found out? I’m serious? Why are we just finding out now? So we could waste time and money?
Joe Bagadonuts
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No I didn't, but did you know that all boys schools are often run in conjunction with all girls schools. I have no idea what the structure of his school was, but it does not seem like a terrible thing that 65 women who knew him in high school were willing to come to his defense.
As for the specific allegation, it's an obvious delay tactic by the Dems. If you were up for some sort of a position and your opposition waited until the 11th hour to present some unsubstantiated anonymous evidence which they had been withholding for weeks what do you think should happen?
Joe Bagadonuts
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Sorry for your loss as well, Stoked. These sorts of losses are painful in a way that I can't expect people who haven't been through them to really understand. My impression is that you've faced and met a lot of challenges in your life. Much respect.
More than seems fair. There was a year and a half that family HATED to receive a call from me. 4 deaths in 14 months. Including both parents.
Life is what it is. It’s been...harsh. But it’s given me an iron, unbreakable will.
RandyForRubio
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It’s all political.
We’ve also seen Democrats say back in June/July (I can’t remember) that they weren’t going to vote for Kavanaugh...but now they say they need more time? They’re all a bunch of idiots, but one side is definitely grandstanding more than the other. *coughIAMSPARTACUS*cough*
If only they were all like Ben Sasse.
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Zombie
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Lol
I found it pretty credible. 65 character witness putting their name to an affidavit vs. 1 anonymous accuser.
Yeah, this anonymous accuser stuff... I'm sorry. If you want to take a stand, take a stand.
Same with the anonymous op-ed writer. If you want to resist, resist. But put some skin in the game.
This letter is meaningless to me until a person stands up and says that they wrote it and they will stand behind it. This cannot be a factor in determining if we confirm a Supreme Court Justice or not unless someone is willing to put their name to it and allow the accused to respond.
I'm tired of people publishing articles with unnamed sources and writing books and talking about letters. If people have something to say they need to say it. There is a place for anonymous sources, but as the every day standard it just isn't okay.
There are people who put themselves out there every day for the things they believe in. Damn the consequences. If these people can't do the same I don't care what they say.
Same with the anonymous op-ed writer. If you want to resist, resist. But put some skin in the game.
This letter is meaningless to me until a person stands up and says that they wrote it and they will stand behind it. This cannot be a factor in determining if we confirm a Supreme Court Justice or not unless someone is willing to put their name to it and allow the accused to respond.
I'm tired of people publishing articles with unnamed sources and writing books and talking about letters. If people have something to say they need to say it. There is a place for anonymous sources, but as the every day standard it just isn't okay.
There are people who put themselves out there every day for the things they believe in. Damn the consequences. If these people can't do the same I don't care what they say.
But it does cast severe doubt on the very anonymous accusation. For all we know Feinstein is making it all up.
1, third party ALLEGED accuser.
Has it even been proven the letter truly exists and that it is from a third party, previously unconnected to Feinstein?
Red
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I'm not crazy about Woodward's interviews being conducted under journalistic "deep background" rules, meaning all information can be used, while names are withheld. On the other hand, according to Woodward, all those interviews were taped, which is important from the perspective of future historians, assuming, as I do, that those tapes will be protected and not destroyed. "Deep Throat", the most important source used by Woodward and Bernstein in their investigation into Watergate, helped lead to Nixon's resignation. His identity went unknown for decades before being revealed by Woodward.
Of course, we want to know now, and not leave it to future historians to reveal identities. But, there are lots of names revealed in Woodward's book as well, and specific events spelled out, to be coorborated by others.
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