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I see it a little differently. I think he's slamming people for being partisan while pretending not to be. There are plenty of people on this board that fit the bill there.

I also don't think it's fair to compare him to l Dutch. They both come on really strong, and can be abrasive, but Thriller is factual in his discussions. Dutch is a fountain of unmitigated ********.

I have seen multiple times Thriller has posted literal fake news that the media has had to retract, and even when called on it, he doesn’t change anything or acknowledge it.

Just because you often agree with him doesn’t make him factual.
 
I thought alt right and far right were synonymous, but either way, I'm not.

In the usage I have seen, alt-right is the attempt to restore the white identity or the male identity back to a place of supremacy, and trying to put those positions in the mainstream of right-wing thinking; members of the alt-right may only be mildly conservative. Far right focuses more on economic and religious issues. Lindsey Graham is far right, Jordan Peterson is alt right.

... but I guess One Brow has a point in doing my own research.

As highly as I seem to think of myself sometimes, I fully acknowledge that I am no substitute for doing the research yourself.
 
How many parties from 35 years ago do you remember attending? Were you at a party on July 11, 1983?
I was. It was a tea party. I raped exactly no one. I think. I did hit the chamomile pretty hard. I like chamomile. I like chamomile. Do you like chamomile? Do you? Na na no no, do you like chamomile, answer the question!
 
1. I really appreciate the divergent views expressed here on jf. I try to diversify my media intake by listening to am radio, hannity, prager, etc as well as NPR. But the time that takes is often overwhelming, so reading your posts has been great. Thanks to all who post.

2. How has sexual harassment become a partisan issue? How has the party that was so outraged by the immorality of Bill Clinton now embraced someone who makes him look like a saint? Why aren't more Republicans outraged at the state of their party? As a "radical moderate" I have voted Republican 9 out of 10 times. I can't see myself doing that in the future. With the President pushing crowds into frenzy in support of BK by demeaning CBF, things have gotten even worse. Republicans will own this stance, perpetrators over victims, for elections to come. They will be seen as being complicit in Trump's divisive agenda. I don't see that as being a winning way forward, to say nothing of morality.

3. It is one thing to reserve judgment, and believe that someone should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. It is quite another thing to say that we have enough evidence to make that judgement, before all the facts are in. Rushing to judgment works both ways. All those who say BK should be held innocent until proven guilty, should also be willing to look at evidence of his guilt. Refusing calls for investigations, limiting the scope of the investigation when forced to conduct one, and waging smear campaigns from the bully pulpit is hardly persuasive.

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It's exactly why I engaged in the first place. I tend to do more research and it sparks my interests to learn more about an issue than if I don't.

The assumptions that are made from my posts are a bit much though. I mean, I know I can be opinionated and annoying sometimes, but to call me alt right, or that I'm not true to myself or I support something I clearly state I don't is a bit much for me.

"Hey, dudes, is this true about Trump or what do you think about it?" - AM

"Burn the witch! He's lazy, not honest with himself, alt right, polarized bipartisan, racist, sexist and a Trump lover." - T, OB

"No, I'm not." - AM

"Yes you are! You posted about it and were too disingenuous to post your true feelings and support." T, OB

This is another example of why I hate bipartisanship. It creates way too much of a - you're either #teamedward or #teamjacob complex.
Insult and intimidation have become a central part of many progressive arguments. It's too bad. I really appreciate guys like Red who can have a conversation about politics without calling into question my intelligence and morality simply because we disagree. I think lots of people with conservative views simply keep their mouths shut (until they step into the voting booth) because they do not enjoy being shamed.
 
Insult and intimidation have become a central part of many progressive arguments. It's too bad. I really appreciate guys like Red who can have a conversation about politics without calling into question my intelligence and morality simply because we disagree. I think lots of people with conservative views simply keep their mouths shut (until they step into the voting booth) because they do not enjoy being shamed.
Joe B it's not just progressives that are insulting.

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It’s incredibly obvious that he’s partisan.

I’m just saying it’s highly amusing when he slams people on the other side for being partisan. I like to call him out on it.

The vast majority of people posting on a political thread ARE partisan. Own it. Recognize it. But Thriller just acts like the same people he cries about.

You, @Joe Bagadonuts and apparently now @Archie Moses have a bad tendency of responding to gutter trash.
 
To me he is an articulate Dutch, nothing more.

I agree that sometimes you have to take a stand. Absolutely. Where I disagree is that this stand must be team A or team B. Not liking one team says nothing, absolutely nothing, about ones feelings for team B.

I openly disparage and ridicule them both. To me trying to assign who the bigger group of assholes and degenerates is wasted effort. Do we really care that one mountain of **** is 5 miles high and the other is 20 miles high? Either way we drown in ****.

Yes, I hope the Ds take the House. Mainly to slow down the Rs. I wanted the Rs to take a house under Obama for the same reason. I have zero faith in either party. And loudly call for expanded parties and push people to break the R and D mold.

Is that itself not a stand. Enough ******** already.

Oh and don’t confirm Kavanaugh. He’s not the right person.
This, in spades. It is hilarious how many people here (an in our country really) have this fallacy that if you aren't for one side you must be 100% for the other. And it is intellectually lazy to keep saying "oh not another 'both sides suck' comment". Both sides do suck. There is a middle in this country, and frankly the vast majority of people actually fall somewhere to the right of the left and to the left of the right. The best thing we could have happen in our political world would be the rise of a third viable party.

I cannot stand Trump. He has proven himself to be a misogynist, racist, self-serving, unstable blow-hard. Sorry, but that truth, does not make a claim that the democrats then are the exact opposite, without fault and perfect in every way, to be true. It is truly a lesser of 2 evils right now. And the in-fighting is worse than it has ever been in our country. It is painfully obvious, for those who can slip the blinders long enough to look, that both sides are only about the power. Not that the power dynamic hasn't always been an issue, but how often in the last 20 years have you heard about politicians voting against party lines because it is what their constituency would want, or because it is for the betterment of the country, or because they realize that to help people we need some compromise? Hardly ever, imo. There was a time not too long ago (if 30 years isn't too long, feels short when you are getting old), when this happened with some regularity, and the government not so arguably ran far better than it does now. How many times in the history of our country has a congress failed to pass a budget? It is becoming more and more common for the disagreements to extend out the time to pass budgetary bills.

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So stop the act that, since the republicans right now are largely assholes and degenerates (Jazz Fanz company excepted of course, and not really representative of the entirety of the republican party), it does not immediately mean that all democrats need to be sainted for their purity and moral superiority. They are all power-hungry. And the partisanship right now is incredibly damaging to the US as a whole.

So it is not only possible, but reasonable and logical, to be unhappy with both sides. If your kids are playing in the mud, will you punish the one who is the dirtiest and reward the one who might be less dirty at the moment?

But yes, right now we need some parity in congress to balance out the crap. A ****-scale if you will, balanced by cow pies on one side and dog turds on the other. Because the worst possible scenarios play out when only the ******* or the ******* run the entire show.
 
Joe B it's not just progressives that are insulting.

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I'm sure you are right, but as I think through the conversations I've been a part of this kind of behavior seems to have become more prevalent on the left.

For example, I rarely look at Facebook but last night I did. I saw a post a friend made flipping off the Trump Tower and read dozens of sympathetic replies. There were non-angry, non-hateful responses. Then I saw a post that another friend made in support of Kavanaugh. You would have thought the poster murdered several people's babies by the level of angry responses he received.

I have been called a lot of names and characterized in a lot of negative ways on this site. I don't think I've said anything to elicit such a venomous response, but it seems to be the way that many on the left respond these days. I'm probably overlooking something, but I can not think of many similar hateful responses to left-wing posters.
You, @Joe Bagadonuts and apparently now @Archie Moses have a bad tendency of responding to gutter trash.
Please give me an example of what you're accusing me of.
 
I see it a little differently. I think he's slamming people for being partisan while pretending not to be. There are plenty of people on this board that fit the bill there.

I also don't think it's fair to compare him to l Dutch. They both come on really strong, and can be abrasive, but Thriller is factual in his discussions. Dutch is a fountain of unmitigated ********.

He is every bit as hateful, rude, demeaning and twisted at Dutch.

Put all the lipstick on a pig you want...
 
So... in a nutshell, the Republicans are presuming Kavanaugh is innocent unless/until sufficient evidence indicates otherwise. The Democrats are presuming Kavanaugh likely did assault Ford because #ibelieveher, and even if he didn't do it, they don't like him due to his temperament. Both sides are politically motivated, split along party lines, grandstanding, and have the same position as they did since before Kavanuagh was named as the nominee.
 
I'm sure you are right, but as I think through the conversations I've been a part of this kind of behavior seems to have become more prevalent on the left.

For example, I rarely look at Facebook but last night I did. I saw a post a friend made flipping off the Trump Tower and read dozens of sympathetic replies. There were non-angry, non-hateful responses. Then I saw a post that another friend made in support of Kavanaugh. You would have thought the poster murdered several people's babies by the level of angry responses he received.

I have been called a lot of names and characterized in a lot of negative ways on this site. I don't think I've said anything to elicit such a venomous response, but it seems to be the way that many on the left respond these days. I'm probably overlooking something, but I can not think of many similar hateful responses to left-wing posters.
Please give me an example of what you're accusing me of.

I definitely think both sides insult. I've even insulted people in this thread. The difference is, imo, my character was attacked out of assumptions, and I was labeled something I'm not and told who I get my information from (I didn't even know two of the three dudes lol.)

It irks me when people's automatic default settings are to tell people they're alt right, a nazi, racist, ect because that's become the easy, go to norm and is their way of thinking, I'm right and morally superior sjw and you're wrong and a terrible person.

I got labeled alt right by Thriller for asking questions about something I don't know all the facts about. I find this offensive because it implies things that I don't want to be associated with, to the slightest degree. It's ******** and cowardly to say.
 
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