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♪alt13 said:
You do you. That's the point. Own it people. Don't hide behind some phony centrist facade that no one is buying.
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That’s just the thing. We don’t care what you buy. And we don’t accept the labels you wish to apply to people.

I’ll continue to “do me” and your opinion of that is irrelevant
 
Stoked said:
No, I’m not a republican. Thanks for playing.

Would you like to see where I differ from them?
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Not that it matters, but you've always struck me as an independant who used to be more conservative, probably were a registered R at one point, and while your views have moderated you maintain a large amount of distrust in Democrats.

Am I close to the mark at all?
 
The thing I think is funny is that if Ford wanted to make this up and had all the evil magic of the Clinton's at her disposal she could have provided extremely specific details.

You can't give your villains superpowers (child sex trafficking rings in pizzarias, Vince Foster, Control over the FBI, etc.) and then suddenly act like they don't have superpowers, ala Ford can't say what house it was at. They could have datamined every party that happened that summer, figured out one where Ford and Kavanaugh were both at and BOOM! I mean if you want to believe in conspiracies you got to get in there and live in that world.

So to me, Ford not having all the answers is a sign of authenticity and integrity. How could anyone have all the answers? To demand them or else claim she's discredited is dishonest.
 
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Zombie said:
Not that it matters, but you've always struck me as an independant who used to be more conservative, probably were a registered R at one point, and while your views have moderated you maintain a large amount of distrust in Democrats.

Am I close to the mark at all?
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I am a registered Libertarian. Always have been. My politics are most closely aligned with 19th and 20th century Anarchists but that is just not an option. I tend to vote for both Republicans and Democrats(thems my choices most of the time) but not the Centrist variety.
 
For what it's worth, alt, I used to be up in the GD section spouting off all my objectivist beliefs. In many ways, philosophically, I am still essentially an objectivist. I just don't buy it as a serious philosophy, more of an ideology. I also gave up once I encountered contradictions I just couldn't answer, which for me was how to overcome coercion, which is pervasive in a multitude of forms in every aspect of our lives. Objectivism and especially the OPAR version of it, can not overcome that fatal flaw, imho.

But yeah, I'm a political fair weather fan. When Bush was in office I did a lot of apologizing for him. When it was Obama I did the same for him. With Trump, there are no redeeming qualities I can argue for. I am certainly rooting for the Ds this midterm. I also have moved left on issues like national healthcare. I have always been for essentially open borders (that's as libertarian a stance as there is). I used to be pretty hoorah U.S. military, but I feel we could do just fine with a highly focused and all-elite military force at least 2/3 smaller than what we currently have.

Even when I claimed to be an objectivist I always tried to point out that it was a philosophical position, not a realistic or utilitarian one. I never believed that objectivism fit our current reality and don't believe it can succeed if injected piecemeal into our current systems. It would take a fresh start for objectivism to have a chance, and that can't happen here.
 
Bulletproof said:
For what it's worth, alt, I used to be up in the GD section spouting off all my objectivist beliefs. In many ways, philosophically, I am still essentially an objectivist. I just don't buy it as a serious philosophy, more of an ideology. I also gave up once I encountered contradictions I just couldn't answer, which for me was how to overcome coercion, which is pervasive in a multitude of forms in every aspect of our lives. Objectivism and especially the OPAR version of it, can not overcome that fatal flaw, imho.

But yeah, I'm a political fair weather fan. When Bush was in office I did a lot of apologizing for him. When it was Obama I did the same for him. With Trump, there are no redeeming qualities I can argue for. I am certainly rooting for the Ds this midterm. I also have moved left on issues like national healthcare. I have always been for essentially open borders (that's as libertarian a stance as there is). I used to be pretty hoorah U.S. military, but I feel we could do just fine with a highly focused and all-elite military force at least 2/3 smaller than what we currently have.

Even when I claimed to be an objectivist I always tried to point out that it was a philosophical position, not a realistic or utilitarian one. I never believed that objectivism fit our current reality and don't believe it can succeed if injected piecemeal into our current systems. It would take a fresh start for objectivism to have a chance, and that can't happen here.
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Good Post

I wouldn't call myself an objectivist. I fall more in line with the social Anarchists. It really is too much to unpack.

One of the best definitions I have heard goes something like. "Breaking down the systems of control." That would include the Titans of Industry that Rand is so fond of.

Ask @NAOS

He has a better understanding and speaks better about the subject than I do. I agree with him politically more than any other JFer(I think I do).
 
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Zombie said:
Not that it matters, but you've always struck me as an independant who used to be more conservative, probably were a registered R at one point, and while your views have moderated you maintain a large amount of distrust in Democrats.

Am I close to the mark at all?
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Far closer than Alt. Was an R a long time ago.
 
I think labeling people politically is kind of stupid. I know very very very few people who hold every single ideal of any single political ideology. Pretty much everyone I know or have associated with in my life have views all over the political spectrum. So to try to pigeonhole someone as a leftist or rightist or a Centrist isn't ever really going to be accurate. The reason I believe most people would fall closer to the middle is for this very reason, the fact that the vast majority of us have opinions that really fall in line with lots of different political ideologies.

I think that we should have Universal Health Care and that it should be paid for by our taxes and that it should regulate the medical industry so that we're not paying such a huge astronomical cost for what is quickly becoming more mediocre care. But I also think there should be restrictions on abortion, for example. I also think marijuana should be completely legal, and taxed like crazy like cigarettes. I've never been a registered anything and have typically voted whichever way I felt was best regardless of party.

Yes it makes it far more convenient to discuss someone's political point of view to place them in one bucket or another, and of course if you are checking the boxes people will lean one way or the other if you think there's some kind of fixed center point this revolves around , but it really is also disingenuous and isn't really representative of who people really are or what people really think.
 
♪alt13 said:
I do think that many here disengenuiously claim to be moderates/centrists.

Clues your not a centrist

Most of the people you vote for are of the same party

The media you consume has a preferred party
example Hannity or Maher

You find yourself agreeing/disagreeing most often with same people
example if you have had a number of boisterous arguments with @Thriller but few or none with @Joe Bagadonuts.

Here's the thing you don't get to automatically claim the high ground by being a moderate anyway. Would you have been a moderate on slavery?

It's OK to be a radical. It's OK to proselytize. Just don't be surprised when you are challenged for it and don't pretend that that's not what you're doing.

I would never claim to be a centrist. I am an Anarchist in the classical not so Ayn Rand sense(though I do agree with her at times). I do have the capacity to know when I am wrong (I won't admit it because I need to hear your best argument so as to improve my understanding ) and am willing to change my views. I am not a centrist. I am not a moderate. <different things sometimes

I expect that other people who aren't don't claim to be either. It is incredibly insincere

Guide(my observations more or less I don't care if it pisses you off)

@Joe Bagadonuts is far right Republican
@Stoked is a Republican
@colton is a moderate Republican (straight up Republican 3 years ago)
@Bulletproof is a moderate Democrat
@One Brow is a Democrat
@Thriller is a far left Democrat
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Do me, do me! Lmao!
 
Zombie said:
Oooh, do me! do me!
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LogGrad98 said:
I think labeling people politically is kind of stupid. I know very very very few people who hold every single ideal of any single political ideology. Pretty much everyone I know or have associated with in my life have views all over the political spectrum. So to try to pigeonhole someone as a leftist or rightist or a Centrist isn't ever really going to be accurate. The reason I believe most people would fall closer to the middle is for this very reason, the fact that the vast majority of us have opinions that really fall in line with lots of different political ideologies.

I think that we should have Universal Health Care and that it should be paid for by our taxes and that it should regulate the medical industry so that we're not paying such a huge astronomical cost for what is quickly becoming more mediocre care. But I also think there should be restrictions on abortion, for example. I also think marijuana should be completely legal, and taxed like crazy like cigarettes. I've never been a registered anything and have typically voted whichever way I felt was best regardless of party.

Yes it makes it far more convenient to discuss someone's political point of view to place them in one bucket or another, and of course if you are checking the boxes people will lean one way or the other if you think there's some kind of fixed center point this revolves around , but it really is also disingenuous and isn't really representative of who people really are or what people really think.
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Most people are pretty consistent. They may have some things they disagree with their team on but those issues are often cursory. The 2 most common groupings of viewpoints are mirrored back at us by the parties designed to win votes/arguments... and they do.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think labeling people politically is kind of stupid. I know very very very few people who hold every single ideal of any single political ideology. Pretty much everyone I know or have associated with in my life have views all over the political spectrum. So to try to pigeonhole someone as a leftist or rightist or a Centrist isn't ever really going to be accurate. The reason I believe most people would fall closer to the middle is for this very reason, the fact that the vast majority of us have opinions that really fall in line with lots of different political ideologies.

I think that we should have Universal Health Care and that it should be paid for by our taxes and that it should regulate the medical industry so that we're not paying such a huge astronomical cost for what is quickly becoming more mediocre care. But I also think there should be restrictions on abortion, for example. I also think marijuana should be completely legal, and taxed like crazy like cigarettes. I've never been a registered anything and have typically voted whichever way I felt was best regardless of party.

Yes it makes it far more convenient to discuss someone's political point of view to place them in one bucket or another, and of course if you are checking the boxes people will lean one way or the other if you think there's some kind of fixed center point this revolves around , but it really is also disingenuous and isn't really representative of who people really are or what people really think.
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My response when someone calls me a Democrat or Republican is that I am not a politician, therefore those labels are meaningless. I mean, I'm not a "card holding" liberal or conservative and I don't ultimately give half a **** about either party.

Just like I don't really follow football, so when I do watch a game I root for one side or the other over completely arbitrary criteria. Right now, I'm certainly excited by the prospect of a "blue wave," in 2018, if Trump has been neutered and some other Republican gets the nomination, I really can't tell you who I'd vote for.
 
Unless it is a stupid, meaningless post I simply avoid posting in political threads anymore. It is not worth the aggravation of being condescended and belittled by any jackhole that disagrees with me. FYI, there are a lot of jackholes on jazzfanz. On both sides.
 
How many of you mirror or are primarily influenced by your parents political views? How many have opposite political stances?
 
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