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Y'all don't believe the world stage is all a show and we're the audience? That there is not a deep state that hasn't infiltrated both parties and showcase deceptions with our "free independent media?"

How about this tidbit, guess who was a director of Bush Jrs midland oil company earning I think it was a 125K or 150k check a year? None other than the supposed mortal enemy of Republicans. Anyone want to guess?

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George Soros.

They hide behind many veils. Snakes they are. . Factions within our government/banking system and the world government really are at power grab war with one another , the USA vs Russia is a false narrative. It's good vs evil underneath it all under many disguises.
 
Y'all don't believe the world stage is all a show and we're the audience? That there is not a deep state that hasn't infiltrated both parties and showcase deceptions with our "free independent media?"

How about this tidbit, guess who was a director of Bush Jrs midland oil company earning I think it was a 125K or 150k check a year? None other than the supposed mortal enemy of Republicans. Anyone want to guess?

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George Soros.

They hide behind many veils. Snakes they are. . Factions within our government/banking system and the world government really are at power grab war with one another , the USA vs Russia is a false narrative. It's good vs evil underneath it all under many disguises.

Dutch?
 
Y'all don't believe the world stage is all a show and we're the audience? That there is not a deep state that hasn't infiltrated both parties and showcase deceptions with our "free independent media?"

How about this tidbit, guess who was a director of Bush Jrs midland oil company earning I think it was a 125K or 150k check a year? None other than the supposed mortal enemy of Republicans. Anyone want to guess?

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George Soros.

They hide behind many veils. Snakes they are. . Factions within our government/banking system and the world government really are at power grab war with one another , the USA vs Russia is a false narrative. It's good vs evil underneath it all under many disguises.
I thought I hade Babe blocked...
 
Ohh man we live different lives

Me and my brother were on the verge of a fist fight over demographics and high school football like 2 weeks ago. We agreed on about 99% but that 1%.

Ohhh man
Good times
Oh I have been in some heated arguments. One of the weirdest was with a neighbor who became a very good friend when I lived in Reno. He was black, and was arguing against the idea that police are biased against black men. He felt it was a bad reflection on "his people" that they do things that bring it down on themselves. This was maybe 10 years ago, so we didn't have all the instagram evidence of shootings like we do now, but he was embarrassed by other black people behaving as they do towards police and authority figures, felt it made them all look bad. He could not stand the use of the word "ax" in place of "ask" and things like that. I was trying to point out the differences in arrest rates and such but he didn't want to hear it, and got pretty worked up about it.

Incidentally, he worked at UNR as an adjunct in philosophy and mathematics I think. Interesting dude. I need to reach out to him and see what his take is on the current state of police relations with blacks. Would be interested to know.



That all said, even in the most heated arguments, we always have areas we can agree and most often those are the real lynch-pins of our society. Most people believe we need to do better with education, health care in some way, jobs and wage growth, and income inequality. The arguments come in how we do it, but take say, Obama care for example. I was not a fan, neither were some of my friends, but others were in favor. Not because it was perfect but because they had to do something. And that I could agree with as well. It was far from perfect and really didn't accomplish what we thought it would, but we had to start somewhere, and on that most of all of my friends I have discussed this with can agree. Few of the people I have discussed it with were vehemently for or against it, but they were definitely strongly on one side or the other for the most part. But the compromise comes in the idea that doing something is probably better than doing nothing. And unfortunately as divided as our government is, they are really doing less and less to advance the standard of living for the american people. They are more interested in getting people to protest and "rock the vote" or whatever to make sure they get their guys or gals into the important roles. And that is done through hitting the hot-button topics as hard as they can, and ignoring anything that might look rational from the other side.

As I think bulletproof or someone said it, but we need to try to acknowledge when even an ogre like Trump does something right, so to speak, and maybe even helps some people. It does not good at all to vilify everything about any one politician because he is a tool. That just pushes everyone further apart.

I think about Romney and his stance on abortion. He was raked over the coals as a "flip-flopper" because his views on abortion had changed over his lifetime. Good hell, I hope people are able to learn and grow and hear other viewpoints and sometimes change their own. It is stupid beyond belief to expect someone to toe the party line so hard that we try to tear someone down for making a measured and reasoned change to their stance on a given topic. I read a lot about his views on abortion at the time and I think he legitimately had a change of heart. But for most, even on the republican side where they had to distance themselves from his views (that abortion is ok in certain circumstances, a hugely radical shift for a dyed-in-the-wool repub), and the democrats of course had to use that to try to show he was a liar or something. Just stupid.

That is why I think our politicians are caricatures of us. They exaggerate the points they need to in order to incite rabid action among their people. That is how they have learned to stay in power.

Think about the shift we have see in the NBA with the 3-pt line. We went from that being the icing on the cake to being as much as 55% of a team's shots (Houston did this several games last season). It has been exaggerated because of the evolving understanding of the stats of the different shots in the game. So has the positions of politicians as they dial in on what **** they need to shoot in order to keep their power.
 
I disagree that the FBI wouldn't do interviews of secondhand or third hand accounts. They would if for no other reason than to get the name of the individual who could potentially provide a first hand account.

Again this isn't a court of law. If someone told me about an event that took place years ago, and then another individual, completely independantly, said yeah I remember so and so telling me about this when it happenned, and then gave me details that match the first account, I'm going to believe that it happenned. I think most people would tbh.

So if I tell you that John Doe touched me 30 years ago, and that Jack, Joe, Jennifer, and Jason were there too, you’d believe me? That makes sense. Now what if Jack, Joe, Jennifer, and Jason all said it didn’t happen? Would you still believe me? Oh but wait! Jerry said that Julius told him about that story too. Ok, now that sounds more believable. Wait...what do you mean Julius says he knows nothing about it? That...hmmm. And I was calling people around the last few weeks because I wasn’t sure who did it? You would still believe me?


I don’t doubt somebody did something to Ramirez like what she is describing. But the best supporting evidence she has is a second hand story that the first hand denies. And that’s despite many names first hand witnesses. In any situation, legal or not, it isn’t enough.
 
Y'all don't believe the world stage is all a show and we're the audience? That there is not a deep state that hasn't infiltrated both parties and showcase deceptions with our "free independent media?"

How about this tidbit, guess who was a director of Bush Jrs midland oil company earning I think it was a 125K or 150k check a year? None other than the supposed mortal enemy of Republicans. Anyone want to guess?

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George Soros.

They hide behind many veils. Snakes they are. . Factions within our government/banking system and the world government really are at power grab war with one another , the USA vs Russia is a false narrative. It's good vs evil underneath it all under many disguises.
Thanks for the links to QAnon and “The Awakening” in your signature. I first thought it had to be a parody of extreme Trump supporters, but apparently it's for real.
 
So if I tell you that John Doe touched me 30 years ago, and that Jack, Joe, Jennifer, and Jason were there too, you’d believe me? That makes sense. Now what if Jack, Joe, Jennifer, and Jason all said it didn’t happen? Would you still believe me? Oh but wait! Jerry said that Julius told him about that story too. Ok, now that sounds more believable. Wait...what do you mean Julius says he knows nothing about it? That...hmmm. And I was calling people around the last few weeks because I wasn’t sure who did it? You would still believe me?


I don’t doubt somebody did something to Ramirez like what she is describing. But the best supporting evidence she has is a second hand story that the first hand denies. And that’s despite many names first hand witnesses. In any situation, legal or not, it isn’t enough.
You're missing a few important details in your hypothetical. In this scenario Jack Joe Jennifer and Jason were cheering on the touching, so they may not be truthful.

Also lets say Jerry told me both the time and the place John touched you, and it just so happens so be the same time and place you told me it happenned.

This combined with the fact that false accusations are less likely than previously unreported true accusations means yeah, I'm going to believe you. Not to mention that not only did you tell me this about John, you put it in a sworn statement and asked to speak to the FBI about it.
 
Y'all don't believe the world stage is all a show and we're the audience? That there is not a deep state that hasn't infiltrated both parties and showcase deceptions with our "free independent media?"

How about this tidbit, guess who was a director of Bush Jrs midland oil company earning I think it was a 125K or 150k check a year? None other than the supposed mortal enemy of Republicans. Anyone want to guess?

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George Soros.

They hide behind many veils. Snakes they are. . Factions within our government/banking system and the world government really are at power grab war with one another , the USA vs Russia is a false narrative. It's good vs evil underneath it all under many disguises.

I don't believe any group of people can control history to their liking. Small conspiracies are possible, and happen, but controlling the course of events to the degree that the flow of history is channeled to whatever the predetermined desired outcome happens to be is virtually impossible.
 
You're missing a few important details in your hypothetical. In this scenario Jack Joe Jennifer and Jason were cheering on the touching, so they may not be truthful.

Also lets say Jerry told me both the time and the place John touched you, and it just so happens so be the same time and place you told me it happenned.

This combined with the fact that false accusations are less likely than previously unreported true accusations means yeah, I'm going to believe you. Not to mention that not only did you tell me this about John, you put it in a sworn statement and asked to speak to the FBI about it.

The story is very possible. But even the accuser wasn’t sure it was Kavanaugh. When the best evidence is a lady who couldn’t remember who did it and was drinking heavily at the time, and a second hand story that the first hand person denies, it is not enough.
 
The story is very possible. But even the accuser wasn’t sure it was Kavanaugh. When the best evidence is a lady who couldn’t remember who did it and was drinking heavily at the time, and a second hand story that the first hand person denies, it is not enough.
Its not enough to be certain, but it's enough to doubt Kavanaugh's innocence.

It's a shame the FBI's 'investigation' was so shallow, we're really not in a different place than we were last week.
 
Its not enough to be certain, but it's enough to doubt Kavanaugh's innocence.

It's a shame the FBI's 'investigation' was so shallow, we're really not in a different place than we were last week.

It was never going to be an investigation and everybody tried to tell y’all that.
 
Its not enough to be certain, but it's enough to doubt Kavanaugh's innocence.

It's a shame the FBI's 'investigation' was so shallow, we're really not in a different place than we were last week.

The absence of evidence is not proof of guilt.

Can’t believe I have to say that.

If all it takes to doubt innocence is a claim with absolutely zero corroborating evidence, then we have failed as a people.
 
The absence of evidence is not proof of guilt.

Can’t believe I have to say that.

If all it takes to doubt innocence is a claim with absolutely zero corroborating evidence, then we have failed as a people.
Hardly. We're talking about bestowing a great amount of power and honor on this man. If this confirmation falls flat, he'll be just fine, we won't have failed ****.

We're failing as a people every day when we don't take assault survivors seriously, and are more concerned with protecting men from the specter of false accusation.
 
Well, that doesn't change that it should have been. But yeah, it's pretty obvious it was meant to provide cover for Republicans voting yes, rather than an honest attempt at the truth.

From the very beginning the FBI said they don’t investigate these things, they just provide interviews and background.
 
Hardly. We're talking about bestowing a great amount of power and honor on this man. If this confirmation falls flat, he'll be just fine, we won't have failed ****.

We're failing as a people every day when we don't take assault survivors seriously, and are more concerned with protecting men from the specter of false accusation.

Oh right. If he falls flat, or if he succeeds, he’ll have the accusations of sexual assault for the rest of his life. That’s not ‘nothing’.

This isn’t about protecting men more than women, it’s about needing evidence and factual data. Some people aren’t willing to throw away innocence because of an accusation. John Adams has a good quote on that from way back when.
 
Oh right. If he falls flat, or if he succeeds, he’ll have the accusations of sexual assault for the rest of his life. That’s not ‘nothing’.

This isn’t about protecting men more than women, it’s about needing evidence and factual data. Some people aren’t willing to throw away innocence because of an accusation. John Adams has a good quote on that from way back when.

It's not much either tbh. It's not like his peers seem too worked up about it, he'll still be a federal judge with more power prestige and income than the vast majority of people. I don't understand why anyone would be expected to feel bad for him.
 
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From the very beginning the FBI said they don’t investigate these things, they just provide interviews and background.
You are just playing with semantics at this point. I'm not saying I expected a criminal investigation. But come on, they didn't even interview Ford or Kavanaugh himself.

Sure they gave testimony to the Senate, but no one honestly thinks five minute rounds of questioning interspersed with Senatorial grandstanding is a substitute for FBI questioning.
 
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