Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[fishonjazz]

But that is exactly what Ford should have done? Some investigating?

You are grasping at straws to discredit these women. It is ridiculous.

Even if we forget all that sexual stuff and his temperament. He is clearly a liar of the under oath variety.

You or I can lie about our history and behavior because Joe you and I don't ****ing matter. Our integrity is not the lynchpin of American truth. The Supreme Court is! We cannot abide liars. We need 9 centrist (honestly conservative leaning) justices who have the respect of all the people. Their decisions must have legitimacy or else our American experiment will cease to be.

To be fair to joe, he has said multiple times that he doesnt want this dude to be confirmed and that he (joe) doesnt want this dude on the supreme court.

 

[One Brow]

She did not specify the year. She said she wasn't sure. In her sworn testimony she said maybe they could check Safeway's personnel records because it was the same summer that Mark Judge worked there. She knows that because she recalls an uncomfortable encounter when she ran into him there and he was no longer friendly like he used to be. She seemed to imply that he was embarrassed.

Don't give me a lecture when you don't know what you are talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...bd52dfe917b_story.html?utm_term=.59a095fec90f

After so many years, Ford said, she does not remember some key details of the incident. She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

To be fair to joe, he has said multiple times that he doesnt want this dude to be confirmed and that he (joe) doesnt want this dude on the supreme court.

The above is true. Thanks fish.

Also, like fish, I have never attempted to rape anyone. But I have had the very miserable experience of being accused of serious wrongdoing by a woman and having to clear my name. I think that those of you who say it's so important that we simply take women at their word are seriously underestimating how important the presumption of innocence has been to this country's legal code. As important as it is that women are empowered and that victims of rape are given the help they need, it would be a major step in the wrong direction for our country to assume that anyone is guilty of anything, simply because they have been accused.

 

[Red]

Here are a couple of articles that may provide food for thought regarding issues described in this thread. This first article raises the issue of so-called implanted memories, and the issues of false memories, and the role hypnosis during psychotherapy may reenforce or even create false memories, while admitting we have no idea if Ford's psychotherapist employed hypnosis in sessions with Dr. Ford:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...d_the_implanted_memory_theory_138263.amp.html

I don't believe it's entirely unfair to examine this subject of memory.

It occurs to me that one of the ways we can divide the sides represented in this thread is to say some have been concerned with being certain we are being fair to the accuser, and by extension, fair to the testimony of women. And some have been concerned with making sure we are being fair to the accused, and by extension, fair to men. Of course the president, and most of the Republican men on the Judiciary Committee have defended fairness to the accused. And the Democrats have questioned the honest and thorough effort of the FBI report(1000 pages!!) and fairness to the accused. The above article is something those most concerned with the effect of men in our society and sexual assault accusations against men, may find of interest.

And, in the following article, Suzanne Moore of The Guardian argues what she believes will be the effect upon, and response from, women, should Kavanaugh be confirmed. She argues that the anger of women will be unstoppable. Of course, there are many women who in fact support Kavanaugh. It will be very interesting to see what effect the decision on Kavanaugh will have on the midterms. If he fails, will that energize and increase the turnout of Trump's base? I should think, but that's JMO. If he is confirmed, will that energize and increase the likelihood of a blue wave, led by women? Well, we shall see:

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...ssault-abortion-kavanaugh-women-voices-bodies

 

[DutchJazzer]

isn't anybody scared as to what this woman said

basically she said if you disagree with her you have no right to due process. in history i have seen these kind of people. These people turn into murderous dictators once they have power.

this is the definition of fascism. you disagreee with me so you should be locked up! wow the left showing it's true colors.

go ahead mods ban me. but also ban thriller cus he said things much much much much worse about republicans in this very thread.

ooh wait you can call repubs every name under the sun. but dare call democrats a bad word and you get banned!


this kind of politiican should scare every single person. wether you have same viewpoint as her or not. because 1 day she might disagree with YOU!

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

isn't anybody scared as to what this woman said

basically she said if you disagree with her you have no right to due process. in history i have seen these kind of people. These people turn into murderous dictators once they have power.

this is the definition of fascism. you disagreee with me so you should be locked up! wow the left showing it's true colors.

go ahead mods ban me. but also ban thriller cus he said things much much much much worse about republicans in this very thread.

ooh wait you can call repubs every name under the sun. but dare call democrats a bad word and you get banned!


this kind of politiican should scare every single person. wether you have same viewpoint as her or not. because 1 day she might disagree with YOU!

Idiot!! Every politician that went to Yale Hhhhharvard or any other prestigious school scares me. Let’s call it as it is and say both parties are ****ing broken. I just wish I, we could throw a monkey wrench into the political prossess, but they, Dems and republicans have fixed things so we can’t.


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[DutchJazzer]

Idiot!! Every politician that went to Yale Hhhhharvard or any other prestigious school scares me. Let’s call it as it is and say both parties are ****ing broken. I just wish I, we could throw a monkey wrench into the political prossess, but they, Dems and republicans have fixed things so we can’t.


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I'm not your idiot, buddy

to some trump is that monkey wrench. im not an american. but if i was in 2016 i would not have voted for him.
i would never voted. but i am thinking of voting in next election. ebcause tyrany in the eu is getting out of hand. it hitet real hard with new financial regulations forced by eu on me. so now that they hit my pocket i am seriously considering voting.


but as a real jew(unlike feinstein and schumer) i am so happy with mr trump!!!

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Right. Obama was the first person to make political appointments. But, you know, that was all part of his cunning plan to take away your guns and declare Shania law. And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

Look, I dont give a damn about a political side here. It's clear to me that Obama had an over-the-top approach to governing through activist appointees. To me, the democrats seem hell bent on continuing this approach, thus throwing separation of powers completely aside. Disagree if you like, it doesn't matter or change the underlying point.

I'm not a buyer of the unitary president hardliner myth. I line up more with Cass Sunstein here (an Obama friend from Chicago and advisor). I don't see much good in one person having the type of power that erases the lines between the 3 branches entirely in several areas of governing. Power of the branches often overlaps in practice and purpose, even though we are taught strict separation as we learn about the structure. This separation of powers isn't exactly real so I don't want any president or political party to continue blurring these questioned lines in the sand with overreaching activism that effectively removes all separation of powers and any semblance of rationality.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The above is true. Thanks fish.

Also, like fish, I have never attempted to rape anyone. But I have had the very miserable experience of being accused of serious wrongdoing by a woman and having to clear my name. I think that those of you who say it's so important that we simply take women at their word are seriously underestimating how important the presumption of innocence has been to this country's legal code. As important as it is that women are empowered and that victims of rape are given the help they need, it would be a major step in the wrong direction for our country to assume that anyone is guilty of anything, simply because they have been accused.

We assume people are guilty in pretty much every other scenario of eye witness though. When's the last time someone identified a thief as an eye witness and people doubted them.

Also I'm guessing whatever you did to some women was just that something to be accused of...

 

[Harambe]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rt-says-retired-justice-stevens-idUSKCN1ME2P8

Retired U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said on Thursday that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh does not belong on the high court because of “potential bias” he showed in his recent Senate confirmation hearing.

Speaking to an audience of retirees in Boca Raton, Florida, Stevens, 98, said he started out believing that Kavanaugh deserved to be confirmed, “but his performance during the hearings caused me to change my mind.”

Stevens cited commentary by Harvard University law professor Laurence Tribe and others suggesting Kavanaugh had raised doubts about his political impartiality when he asserted that sexual misconduct accusations he faced stemmed from an “orchestrated political hit” funded by left-wing groups seeking “revenge on behalf of the Clintons.”

It feels like there's a million reasons out there to not advance this guy to the supreme court, and only one reason to at this point.

 

[Zombie]

The above is true. Thanks fish.

Also, like fish, I have never attempted to rape anyone. But I have had the very miserable experience of being accused of serious wrongdoing by a woman and having to clear my name. I think that those of you who say it's so important that we simply take women at their word are seriously underestimating how important the presumption of innocence has been to this country's legal code. As important as it is that women are empowered and that victims of rape are given the help they need, it would be a major step in the wrong direction for our country to assume that anyone is guilty of anything, simply because they have been accused.

I get the presumption of innocence argument, and if this was a court of law I would 100% agree with you. When it comes to politics though, whether it's at the ballot box or regarding a political appointee, the same logic just doesn't apply. We make personal judgments about people's misdeeds all the time without proving their guilt 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'

Of course that doesn't mean that we should believe every allegation of any nature in all cases, but in this particular case there's enough smoke for any reasonable person to conclude that it's a good chance he's guilty.
That's not based only on the testimony and statements of his accusers, but also his own lack of honesty while being questioned.

 

[Harambe]

I get the presumption of innocence argument, and if this was a court of law I would 100% agree with you. When it comes to politics though, whether it's at the ballot box or regarding a political appointee, the same logic just doesn't apply. We make personal judgments about people's misdeeds all the time without proving their guilt 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'

Of course that doesn't mean that we should believe every allegation of any nature in all cases, but in this particular case there's enough smoke for any reasonable person to conclude that it's a good chance he's guilty.
That's not based only on the testimony and statements of his accusers, but also his own lack of honesty while being questioned.

Not a court of law, presumption of innocence.

Every extended family I've watch has that one old creeper, that no one's proven he's done anything bad, but you don't exactly leave him alone with your kids.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Sounds like Flake is voting yes, and the Senate voted 51-49 to advance his nomination to a final vote this weekend. Collins sounds like a yes too. Seems like his nomination is a foregone conclusion at this point.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/kavanaugh-fbi-investigation-oct-18/index.html

 

[Miggs]

We assume people are guilty in pretty much every other scenario of eye witness though. When's the last time someone identified a thief as an eye witness and people doubted them?

When that “thief” was white?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I get the presumption of innocence argument, and if this was a court of law I would 100% agree with you. When it comes to politics though, whether it's at the ballot box or regarding a political appointee, the same logic just doesn't apply. We make personal judgments about people's misdeeds all the time without proving their guilt 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'

Of course that doesn't mean that we should believe every allegation of any nature in all cases, but in this particular case there's enough smoke for any reasonable person to conclude that it's a good chance he's guilty.
That's not based only on the testimony and statements of his accusers, but also his own lack of honesty while being questioned.

Thats ridiculous!!!!


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[Zombie]

Thats ridiculous!!!!


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

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Ya, not much you can say to justify the political process. You can just continue to be a stupid idiot sheep, and pawn to whatever party you affiliate with.


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[Zombie]

Ya, not much you can say to justify the political process. You can just continue to be a stupid idiot sheep, and pawn to whatever party you affiliate with.


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

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If only I could do to the senate what I’ve done to you.


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[Zombie]

If only I could do to the senate what I’ve done to you.


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C'mon on man. You can't leave me hanging like this.