12 killed during mas shooting including police officer who had a gun in California bar.

[Rubashov]

Yeah, it's tricky. Yes, there should be a database... for criminals, people under restraining orders and those with documented mental health issues. It's not a perfect solution at all, and tough to implement, but it's a half-step in the right direction.

If it were up to me I would ban all handguns and assault weapons. Hunting weapons would be allowed, but purchasing one would require a background check. You want to shoot a handgun, get a pellet gun. At this point I think public safety should outweigh gun rights. Our fascination with guns is asinine.

You live in the USA yeah? and you think this will happen? You're certifiable...

 

[str8line]

You live in the USA yeah? and you think this will happen? You're certifiable...

I think stringent background checks will eventually happen; maybe stronger assault weapon bans, too. Handguns are probably here to stay though. If I lived in Alaskan bear country I'd want a handgun otherwise I can't see a good reason why an American would need one... except to protect himself against another American with a handgun. A handgun ban could happen, but with the Supreme Court in its current makeup it's not likely to.

**** it, I'm going to get myself a conceal carry license. If you can't beat em join em.

 

[Rubashov]

I think stringent background checks will eventually happen; maybe stronger assault weapon bans, too. Handguns are probably here to stay though. If I lived in Alaskan bear country I'd want a handgun otherwise I can't see a good reason why an American would need one... except to protect himself against another American with a handgun. A handgun ban could happen, but with the Supreme Court in its current makeup it's not likely to.

**** it, I'm going to get myself a conceal carry license. If you can't beat em join em.

Background checks and databases are problematic, our emergency mental health team has access to a national database but it can take hours to identify and access interstate records and we have a much smaller population and a simpler legal system when it comes to state and federal rights. There are also significant privacy issues, i reckon it just doesn't happen because its too complex for your political system to resolve and there will be significant vested interests trying to prevent it happening.

We use flagging extensively at work (we are constantly working at improving that) and it is getting easier to access information on potential risks, I for one would like us to run the name of every person we as a health service come into contact with for warrants but i'm fairly certain it will never happen.

 

[str8line]

Just a ton of ridiculous **** going on in the U.S. these days:

https://www.ksl.com/article/46425186/woman-shot-man-injured-following-south-salt-lake-bar-fight

 

[Gameface]

Dealing with the mental health issue is another option.

Yeah, he should have been given the metal health cure...

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I think stringent background checks will eventually happen; maybe stronger assault weapon bans, too. Handguns are probably here to stay though. If I lived in Alaskan bear country I'd want a handgun otherwise I can't see a good reason why an American would need one... except to protect himself against another American with a handgun. A handgun ban could happen, but with the Supreme Court in its current makeup it's not likely to.

**** it, I'm going to get myself a conceal carry license. If you can't beat em join em.

I agree with your overall sentiment except the need to protect yourself nonsense. People are obviously different sizes and of different physical capacity.

These shootings are far from ridiculous and something has to be done.

 

[Stars Fan]

The Borderline Bar & Grill is about 2 miles from my daughter's place in T.O.. She used to go there quite a bit... when we heard of this tragedy, we were afraid she was there. We soon got a text from her saying she was safe. Most terrifying moments I could imagine. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of everyone involved. But that can't be enough. This type of mass murder must not be allowed to continue to be the price we pay for gun ownership rights.

#timesup

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Here's an update for anyone who cares. My daughter and granddaughter evacuated the next day, and are back home safe and sound now. Telemachus Orfanos, worked with my daughter's boyfriend. He was the guy who survived the Las Vegas shooting, only to be gunned down at the Borderline B&G. It's a real shame. He was a great guy according to my daughter. He was a Navy veteran who loved the USA, country music, and supported gun rights.

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[LogGrad98]

Yeah, he should have been given the metal health cure...

I expected better from you. Obviously I meant the mental health crisis in this country. Do you see people protesting for better mental health Care the way they do against guns? Go ahead and be flippant. That attitude is exactly why it carries such a stigma in our society.

 

[The Thriller]

We all know the solution:

More thoughts and prayers and more guns!!! Always more guns!

Cuz 2nd.

 

[Gameface]

I expected better from you. Obviously I meant the mental health crisis in this country. Do you see people protesting for better mental health Care the way they do against guns? Go ahead and be flippant. That attitude is exactly why it carries such a stigma in our society.

I actually feel like this was an extremely high quality post on my part.

Are we experiencing a mental health crisis? Is mental health worse now than it was 5, 10, 20, 50 years ago? I certainly don't think it is. I think mental health has been an issue throughout all human history. So if you've got some evidence of a recent crisis, please share.

I have experienced a lot of mental health issues in my family. My father killed himself in December of '05. My mother has made a number of suicide attempts, dating back to the early 90s and as recently as 2006, before she was subject to voluntary electroshock therapy, which was absolutely transformative for her. My sister made three very very serious suicide attempts when she was in her very early 20s, all of which required intervention from people who found her by chance in order to save her life. The last one was my father who found her very near death when he came home to eat lunch, which was not common at all.

If you're under the impression that identifying mental health issues and solving them is the same thing, you're wrong.

I agree that we need to seriously address mental health. But that is not a near or medium or long term solution to gun violence. If we could fix 90% of mental health issues (we can't) we would not reduce gun violence by 90%. So for you to call what I said "flippant" well, you need to get real. It wasn't flippant. What was flippant was your post blaming gun violence on our lack of addressing mental health. Those are two different issues and they have two very different solutions, and in the case of mental health, we have no cure. While improvements can be made, they will be small, incremental improvements. Nothing exists in the realm of mental health treatment that would come close to fixing our problem with gun violence.

 

[Zombie]

I actually feel like this was an extremely high quality post on my part.

Are we experiencing a mental health crisis? Is mental health worse now than it was 5, 10, 20, 50 years ago? I certainly don't think it is. I think mental health has been an issue throughout all human history. So if you've got some evidence of a recent crisis, please share.

I have experienced a lot of mental health issues in my family. My father killed himself in December of '05. My mother has made a number of suicide attempts, dating back to the early 90s and as recently as 2006, before she was subject to voluntary electroshock therapy, which was absolutely transformative for her. My sister made three very very serious suicide attempts when she was in her very early 20s, all of which required intervention from people who found her by chance in order to save her life. The last one was my father who found her very near death when he came home to eat lunch, which was not common at all.

If you're under the impression that identifying mental health issues and solving them is the same thing, you're wrong.

I agree that we need to seriously address mental health. But that is not a near or medium or long term solution to gun violence. If we could fix 90% of mental health issues (we can't) we would not reduce gun violence by 90%. So for you to call what I said "flippant" well, you need to get real. It wasn't flippant. What was flippant was your post blaming gun violence on our lack of addressing mental health. Those are two different issues and they have two very different solutions, and in the case of mental health, we have no cure. While improvements can be made, they will be small, incremental improvements. Nothing exists in the realm of mental health treatment that would come close to fixing our problem with gun violence.

To add to this point, the United States doesn't have higher rates of mental illness than other developed nations, and yet somehow they've avoided the scourge of mass shootings. It's obvious what sets us apart from the rest of the world, we just need the rest of the country to wake up and face it.