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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

One Brow said:
I'm in favor of playing the players that produce. Favors is currently our second-best player in that regard. When he stops producing, I'll stop saying he has great value on this team.

I like to follow where the data leads, not some starry-eyed, amateur notion of what should be.
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Favors may be better production wise individually than a lot of players. But you don't seem to take in to account fit and how the team as a whole plays. That stuff truly does matter.
Favors produces much better than Crowder and imo is the better player.
Yet why is the Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, gobert lineup so much more productive as a whole than the Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, favors, gobert lineup over last year and this year? How could that be the case?

Also, small sample size, I think we are undefeated when Crowder starts and favors comes off the bench.

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One Brow said:
I'm in favor of playing the players that produce.
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I'm in favor of playing players that make the team win the most often. Even if they are less productive individually.

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fishonjazz said:
Favors may be better production wise individually than a lot of players. But you don't seem to take in to account fit and how the team as a whole plays. That stuff truly does matter.
Favors produces much better than Crowder and imo is the better player.
Yet why is the Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, gobert lineup so much more productive as a whole than the Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, favors, gobert lineup over last year and this year? How could that be the case?

Also, small sample size, I think we are undefeated when Crowder starts and favors comes off the bench.

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But by that logic Favors should play over Gobert since the lineup of Rubio Mitchell Ingles Crowder and Favors is better than the one with Gobert.

Also in the playoffs our most used lineup was Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Favors, Gobert and it was +23. With Crowder and the same we were -12.8. So when it mattered Favors and Gobert were really good together despite Favors playing on 1 leg.

A lot of the reason Crowder looked so much better in our 5 man net rating is because we played much better in the second half. If you look at just the second half of the season the difference was not that big between favors and Crowder. Offense was actually better with Favors but the defense was better with Crowder.

Personally the solution to me is getting a PG that can shoot. Start Mitchell, Korver, Ingles, Favors, and Gobert and our two most productive players can play together. It only becomes an issue to have 3 guys who can't shoot the three well. And the reality is you only have Ingles that can really shoot well in the current lineup.
 
Last year our 5 best players according to PER are Gobert, Favors, Mitchell, Exum, and Sef. That lineup did very well and should have played more together.

This year Gobert and Favors are our best players by every advanced stat. The coach should work harder to make them for together by adjusting schemes and players around them. It's a big drop off to our next best player.

Favors is having the best season of his career. Which correlates to being the first time he has been healthy in a few seasons. Play him more and run more plays for him.
 
I think the favors/Harris debate is moot until the offseason, both guys are staying with their teams for now.

As of now, I still think we need another playmaker. Exum COULD be it if he plays like he did and stays within himself.

A reliable third big, one that can preferably score, should be on the list. We’re one major injury to gobert and/or favors from being in the lottery.
 
Our #1 need is a PG. Maybe Rubio or Exum starts playing better and solves that. We have until the trade deadline to see. If neither can step up by then we need to make a trade for either a really good pg or a PG that can shoot the 3, set up the offense, and not turn the ball over.

Next is nother All Star level player. But that's wishful thinking that we can land one or outbid for one without gutting our team too much.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Our #1 need is a PG. Maybe Rubio or Exum starts playing better and solves that. We have until the trade deadline to see. If neither can step up by then we need to make a trade for either a really good pg or a PG that can shoot the 3, set up the offense, and not turn the ball over.

Next is nother All Star level player. But that's wishful thinking that we can land one or outbid for one without gutting our team too much.
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I agree with you.

The way I see it, we need an upgrade at one of the following spots (# is priority):

PG (#1) - I think Favors and Crowder are fine PF options if PG was upgraded. Ideally, I think upgrade Rubio while keeping Exum and his defense. If Mitchell ever figured out how to be a great PG, we would want/need an Exum type.

PF (#2) - If we got a scoring PF (Tobias type), Rubio would be fine and our SF/PF/C depth would be so strong with Crowder and Favors coming off the bench (should we still have them post trade/acquisition).

SF (#3)- If we got some scoring SF (Middleton type), I think Ingles could play some minutes as a small PF and some pressure would be taken off Rubio

We need one of these things to happen to be a contender.
 
Favors is at 30.8% from 3 this year on one attempt per game. Hoping he can get that to 32-33% by the end of the year. And next year, up the attempts to 1.5-2.0 per game and the % to about 35%.

Cause next season’s the year for our run. I’ve said it for six months now. We’re winning the title in 2020.
 
I do like the idea of Mitchell becoming a point guard, Exum backing him up, and trading for it signing a solid shooting guard.

I'm also still hoping Exum can get a consistent 3 point shot and then he can handle starting at pg or playing off guard.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I do like the idea of Mitchell becoming a point guard, Exum backing him up, and trading for it signing a solid shooting guard.

I'm also still hoping Exum can get a consistent 3 point shot and then he can handle starting at pg or playing off guard.
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I think that trading Rubio and Thabo for Hardaway Jr. might be a brilliant move. NY could move Rubio to a 3rd team and go full on tank. Hardaway is a great scorer. If he has a bad day, we have the depth in Korver, Exum and eventually Grayson.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Last year our 5 best players according to PER are Gobert, Favors, Mitchell, Exum, and Sef. That lineup did very well and should have played more together.
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I don't put a ton of stock in PER. I mean, this year Neto has the third best PER on our team, but do we actually believe he's been our third best player? Do we want him playing more minutes? The answer to both of those questions is obviously no. I also don't really care if Exum and Sefelosha were top 5 in PER last year, they clearly weren't 2 of our 5 best or most important players. I think PER is an overrated stat.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yet why is the Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, gobert lineup so much more productive as a whole than the Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, favors, gobert lineup over last year and this year? How could that be the case?
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Part of that could well be the fit under the current system. I suspect part of that is Favors starting the game against the opposition's best unit, and then Crowder comes in to face off against the bench unit. So for about half/third of their time, Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Crowder-Gobert faces bench unites, while Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Favors-Gobert faces starters.

Also, part of my thought process is that an NBA coach needs to adjust the system to match the players, and I think Snyder could be doing more of that as well. However, maybe he is doing that, and I'm just too ignorant to see it.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Favors is at 30.8% from 3 this year on one attempt per game. Hoping he can get that to 32-33% by the end of the year. And next year, up the attempts to 1.5-2.0 per game and the % to about 35%.
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Check out his monthly splits. 40% in November.
 
One Brow said:
Part of that could well be the fit under the current system. I suspect part of that is Favors starting the game against the opposition's best unit, and then Crowder comes in to face off against the bench unit. So for about half/third of their time, Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Crowder-Gobert faces bench unites, while Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Favors-Gobert faces starters.

Also, part of my thought process is that an NBA coach needs to adjust the system to match the players, and I think Snyder could be doing more of that as well. However, maybe he is doing that, and I'm just too ignorant to see it.
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Very good post and great point about going against the bench vs starters. I didn't think about that

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infection said:
How about their unprotected pick this year?
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