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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

One Brow said:
Spoken like a true Jabari Parker. How about instead of bringing all high-scoring players, we worry about players who help in wins in all kinds of ways, particularly defense?
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You do understand that I am talking about salaries, yes? Not overall impact on wins, per se, or how to construct a successful NBA team, with the supporting skills needed.

Check the top 15-20 salaries in the nba, and name me a player that doesn’t score? Rudy is considered elite in defense only, the DPOY, doesn’t even figure in the top 30 in salaries.

This whole change to freedom of movement emphasises offense even more, and we asked for it didn’t we? A team that identifies itself with defense.

Is it so hard to understand that offense is the greatest factor in terms of size of contract? Of course if you’re a player you don’t say silly things like Jabari.
 
Dali said:
You do understand that I am talking about salaries, yes? Not overall impact on wins, per se, or how to construct a successful NBA team, with the supporting skills needed.

Check the top 15-20 salaries in the nba, and name me a player that doesn’t score? Rudy is considered elite in defense only, the DPOY, doesn’t even figure in the top 30 in salaries.

This whole change to freedom of movement emphasises offense even more, and we asked for it didn’t we? A team that identifies itself with defense.

Is it so hard to understand that offense is the greatest factor in terms of size of contract? Of course if you’re a player you don’t say silly things like Jabari.
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Jabari would be tough to keep on the court in a playoff series against the top teams. No thanks.

Defense is extremely important. You have to be in the top-10 or close to top-10 defense to win a championship.
 
Dali said:
Absolutely defense is important. I agree with that.
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I think it's important for each individual player on the roster, top to bottom, in this NBA though. Unless you're an all-star caliber player, you've got to be a solid defender or else you're just attacked over and over, especially from the likes of GS, Houston, Toronto, Boston, etc...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Uhh, wut? You can be a good guy and optimistic and just be terrible at defense.
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He’s selfish and lacks maturity and self awareness. His comments on defense were telling and I get the impression from guys like Tony Jones that he has some attitude issues.

That said... Boylen is off to an amazing start. I’m shocked the guy who comes in like a HS hardass coach isn’t connecting and getting the most out of his young guys.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He’s selfish and lacks maturity and self awareness. His comments on defense were telling and I get the impression from guys like Tony Jones that he has some attitude issues.

That said... Boylen is off to an amazing start. I’m shocked the guy who comes in like a HS hardass coach isn’t connecting and getting the most out of his young guys.
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We were considering him as HC before deciding on Quin, reportedly.
 
LoPo said:
I love Rudy, but he isn't a top 12 player in my book:

LBJ
KD
Curry
Kawhi
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
AD
Harden
Giannis
Kyrie
Embiid

A good argument...
PG
Oladipo
Jrue Holiday
CP3
DeRozan
Gasol
Draymond
Klay
Donovan
Tatum
Blake Griffin
Porzingis
Butler


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The challenge was 10-15. I think only PH, oladipo. And maaaybe Tatum have an argument. And I’d take Rudy before kemba too.

So yeah, bare minimum there’s a top 20 guy who gets paid mostly for defense.
 
I just dont get why Parker is getting no love. I still see a good player.

Freaking Jazz. Go get this guy.

When he is interviewed. I dont get the sense he has an attitude problem or is dumb. He made a stupid comment about defense, yes, but thats rhe extent of red flags about his personality.

Body wise. No, his body dont look great, and he has two knee surgeries, but he moves great. He has great lift. So ignore what his body looks like. Its not about looks.

Skills - He can do a lot of different things on the offensive end. He is very skilled.


What is the freaking problem? There are plenty of a lot worse players out there. Guys like Exum who are not NBA players, yet we want to give him a million and 1 chances.

I feel like i live in a bizzaro world. I am riding this Jabari train until the dude breaks his knee again and is out of the league or something. I think at some point the right team will let him play, and it will be an easy told you so.
 


If Jabari gets minutes he routinely puts up big numbers. It isnt like he just has a good gane once a month. If he was allowed to play 35 min a game he would easily average 24+ppg


We dont need that right now? Really?
 
Parker not being a bonified starter in the NBA is just beyond stupid. He is easily better than 75% of the league.
 
Lets just look at the Jazz Roster and who Jabari is better than.

Rudy - Nope
Donovan - Nope
Ingles - Maybe
Favors - Maybe

Everyone else?? 100% yes. Without a ****ing doubt.

Jabari is better than the Majority of players on this team. And we dont want to add that? Really?

You cant whine about losing and cheer rollling with less than players at the same time.

You cant good guy/Jazz guy your way to a championship. You need talented players.

You cant conservative approach your way to a championship either. You need to take a risk at some point.

But you disagree. I know. Same story. Same arguments. Same results. Let me know when this current strategy works and we win the championship.

Korver for three! Yay!
 
I’m just waiting for the day where DL actually swings for the fences. If the Jazz are so confident in player development, then go get a guy who probably has more natural talent than 80% of the league and make him into a superstar. Making a trade of something like Favors + 2nd for Jabari makes sense to me, it’s really low risk and would let us be players in free agency. If Jabari blows up, then you’ve got your second star. If not, you cut him and move on.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Lets just look at the Jazz Roster and who Jabari is better than.

Rudy - Nope
Donovan - Nope
Ingles - Maybe
Favors - Maybe

Everyone else?? 100% yes. Without a ****ing doubt.

Jabari is better than the Majority of players on this team. And we dont want to add that? Really?

You cant whine about losing and cheer rollling with less than players at the same time.

You cant good guy/Jazz guy your way to a championship. You need talented players.

You cant conservative approach your way to a championship either. You need to take a risk at some point.

But you disagree. I know. Same story. Same arguments. Same results. Let me know when this current strategy works and we win the championship.

Korver for three! Yay!
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Great to see you bro, long time no see.
 
NPC D4617 said:
I just dont get why Parker is getting no love. I still see a good player.

Freaking Jazz. Go get this guy.

When he is interviewed. I dont get the sense he has an attitude problem or is dumb. He made a stupid comment about defense, yes, but thats rhe extent of red flags about his personality.

Body wise. No, his body dont look great, and he has two knee surgeries, but he moves great. He has great lift. So ignore what his body looks like. Its not about looks.

Skills - He can do a lot of different things on the offensive end. He is very skilled.


What is the freaking problem? There are plenty of a lot worse players out there. Guys like Exum who are not NBA players, yet we want to give him a million and 1 chances.

I feel like i live in a bizzaro world. I am riding this Jabari train until the dude breaks his knee again and is out of the league or something. I think at some point the right team will let him play, and it will be an easy told you so.
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U have no idea exum hasn't had a million and 1 chances. He hasn't even played extended minutes. And never been allowed to play his game. Blame quin. Jabari is really athletic. He has these god given gifts I talk about. So cause he has those gifts his upside is massive.
 
Exum hasn't had extended minutes? He started for us for like 60 games and he was hot garbage at best.
 
I take my Jabari comments back. I went on a Bulls forum and they all want him gone.... sounds like they may even buy him out. I’d rather wait and buy really low on him this offseason.
 
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