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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

NUMBERICA said:
*20 million EXPIRING contract.
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if we trade for him we have to guarantee his contract for next year(the situation is similar to Mirotic last year), which means we have to punt on the high end FA this coming summer.

And for the record - yes, Jabari is indeed as bad as his numbers suggest he is, especially on defense.
 
FTR, there would be a time to get a guy like this. It’s just not now. He needs to sit and rot on the bench and let it all stew for a long time to really make him miserable and get him thinking about who he is as a player and who he wants to be imo.

I’d say maybe in the off-season if we swing and miss on the free agents we long for but I just don’t see how that’s even feasible given Jae and Favors. Sure we could let Favors walk but that doesn’t seem prudent. Not for Parker on a one year deal.
 


I could see NOLA or Houston liking Oubre. Why wouldn't they? Both teams are capped out and need a wing but they could keep him since he's a restricted free agent.
 
infection said:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7145538

Washington trades Oubre and Rivers and gets Ariza.

Phoenix trades Ariza and gets Rivers and Exum.

NOLA trades Niko and gets Oubre.

Jazz trade Exum and get Niko.
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I like it, but here are issues I see with it:

#1 - I don't think Washington and Phoenix can wait until January 15 (when Exum is available to be traded).

#2 - I think Niko is pretty happy in NOLA and NOLA is pretty happy with him. I could see NOLA trying to use an exception to acquire Oubre.
 
stitches said:
if we trade for him we have to guarantee his contract for next year(the situation is similar to Mirotic last year), which means we have to punt on the high end FA this coming summer.

And for the record - yes, Jabari is indeed as bad as his numbers suggest he is, especially on defense.
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You don’t have to guarantee his deal. That was what Niko wanted and he could have blocked the trade because of bird rights stuff... Favs can do the same to us. Not sure if Jabari could donthat but it would be in his best interest to go somewhere he can play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You don’t have to guarantee his deal. That was what Niko wanted and he could have blocked the trade because of bird rights stuff... Favs can do the same to us. Not sure if Jabari could donthat but it would be in his best interest to go somewhere he can play.
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Mirotic and Jabari's contracts are the same(just different numbers) - they are 1 year contracts + 1 year team option. Favors' contract is different. It's 2 years contract with the second year non-guaranteed. The reason Jabari(and Mirotic last year) have the right to veto is because players have the right to veto trades during a 1 year contract. Favors cannot do that because technically his contract is 2 years, not 1... just the second year is not guaranteed(another stroke of genius from DL).

I guess it depends on how much the Jazz want Jabari... because he has the leverage. If we want him now and if we are willing to pay for him something of value he will know he has leverage and he will want his contract guaranteed. It's a bit of a game of who blinks first... Jabari doesn't have as much leverage as Mirotic had last year because he's not playing as good. But he still loses if he agrees to transfer his option year. It's a no-win situation for him contract-wise... so he might just stick with it and hope some other team will be willing to guarantee the contract.
 
fishonjazz said:
I thought he just signed a 2 year deal last summer
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1 year guaranteed, 2nd year is a team option (kinda like Favors).

I was just told the second year becomes guaranteed if traded, but the comparison of Niko was used, and that wasn’t actually in Niko’s contract so I am skeptical but have not researched this aspect further.
 
NUMBERICA said:
1 year guaranteed, 2nd year is a team option (kinda like Favors).

I was just told the second year becomes guaranteed if traded, but the comparison of Niko was used, and that wasn’t actually in Niko’s contract so I am skeptical but have not researched this aspect further.
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It doesn't become guaranteed automatically, but the player can veto trades until the contract is guaranteed because right now his contract is 1 year and if it gets guaranteed it becomes 2 years. Players have the right to veto any trade during a 1 year contract because they lose their bird rights this way. This is what Mirotic did last year. He was blocking the trade until Chicago picked his option for the following year.
 
stitches said:
It doesn't become guaranteed automatically, but the player can veto trades until the contract is guaranteed because right now his contract is 1 year and if it gets guaranteed it becomes 2 years. Players have the right to veto any trade during a 1 year contract because they lose their bird rights this way. This is what Mirotic did last year. He was blocking the trade until Chicago picked his option for the following year.
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So is it possible that Jabari still accepts a trade but not demand that the 2nd year is picked up? So if he is intent on leaving, he could still give his new team the team option on year 2?
 
LoPo said:
So is it possible that Jabari still accepts a trade but not demand that the 2nd year is picked up? So if he is intent on leaving, he could still give his new team the team option on year 2?
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It's possible. But it doesn't make sense contractually for him. If he knows a team is willing to give up value for him he knows he has leverage and he will likely want the contract guaranteed. Unless... the team doesn't give up any/much value for him.
 
So in the aftermath of the Suns/Wiz trade, here seem to be the most pressing trade deadline topics:

Jabari Parker - seems like he will be traded before January if Chicago and Jabari want to avoid distractions

Caldwell-Pope - supposedly he wants to be traded asap. Every day that goes by he loses $10,000 from his trade kicker.

Fultz - the guy still has a month at least before he sees the court. Detroit and Orlando seem like the most logical fits.

Rockets - still in the market for a wing

Pelicans - still in the market for improvements

Hornets - still in the market for improvements
 
stitches said:
It's possible. But it doesn't make sense contractually for him. If he knows a team is willing to give up value for him he knows he has leverage and he will likely want the contract guaranteed. Unless... the team doesn't give up any/much value for him.
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I think you are wrong on the favors thing but am too lazy to look it up.

Why would Jabari block any trade to a team that would play him? He’s out of the rotation... if he stays there they aren’t picking it up and his value will continue to be nothing if he doesn’t play. If he threatened to block it any team will be completely out... I’m not sure he’s the brightest most self aware guy but I think he’s be smart enough to connect those dots.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think you are wrong on the favors thing but am too lazy to look it up.

Why would Jabari block any trade to a team that would play him? He’s out of the rotation... if he stays there they aren’t picking it up and his value will continue to be nothing if he doesn’t play. If he threatened to block it any team will be completely out... I’m not sure he’s the brightest most self aware guy but I think he’s be smart enough to connect those dots.
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This is Jazz' page: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/utah-jazz-team-salary/

This is Bulls' page: http://www.basketballinsiders.com/chicago-bulls-team-salary/

Favors' contract is a non-guaranteed contract in the second year.
Jabari's contract is a team option contract in the second year.

On your question - in short - because he thinks the Jazz(or some team in the league) will be willing to do it if it came down to it. NOP didn't want to guarantee Mirotic' contract either at the beginning... but at the end they agreed. No team wants to guarantee 20M a year if they don't have to... and no player/agent wants to give up 20M guaranteed if they don't have to. At the end it will come down to who blinks first. Jabari is in a weaker position than Mirotic was last year, but he can still play leverage game with a team if that team is willing to give up value for him.
 
It is worse for Jabari to stay in Chicago and rot than it is to go to another team and play although they might not pick up his contract for 2019/20. His reputation takes a massive hit if he refuses a trade unless the other team picks up his 2nd year.

If I were a team, I would only trade for him with the understanding that he has to earn that contract for the next year.
 
LoPo said:
It is worse for Jabari to stay in Chicago and rot than it is to go to another team and play although they might not pick up his contract for 2019/20. His reputation takes a massive hit if he refuses a trade unless the other team picks up his 2nd year.

If I were a team, I would only trade for him with the understanding that he has to earn that contract for the next year.
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It's not this simple. In a similar way you could have asked "wouldn't it better for Mirotic to play for a playoff team instead of for the horrible Chicago?". Yes it would, but it doesn't mean he has to give up his leverage when/if he has it.
 
stitches said:
It's not this simple. In a similar way you could have asked "wouldn't it better for Mirotic to play for a playoff team instead of for the horrible Chicago?". Yes it would, but it doesn't mean he has to give up his leverage when/if he has it.
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Niko, though not starting or playing in crunch because of the tank, was viewed positively and on an upward trend. Jabari has gone from being a #2 pick that his team gave up on, to getting one offer with a tanking team, to getting benched, to being totally out of the rotation, plus some attitude issues. Niko would have hit the summer market with value, so he wanted to push to going somewhere that would be a good fit. Completely different.
 
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