this team might just suck.

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The starters built nice leads in the 1st and 3rd quarters. They played great.

 

[Sandman822]

It means he brings the ball up the court.

Makes sense for total touches, but doesn't really explain why he gets more frontcourt touches than Mitchell in less minutes.

edit: my initial guess is that Mitchell tends to end more possessions than Rubio but still thinking about it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Makes sense for total touches, but doesn't really explain why he gets more frontcourt touches than Mitchell in less minutes.

edit: my initial guess is that Mitchell tends to end more possessions than Rubio but still thinking about it.

How does it not make sense for front-court touches? He brings the ball up from the backcourt to the frontcourt more often than Mitchell = more touches.

 

[MVP]

What are you talking? We lost against a mediocre team that has no stars.

Vucevic will be all star this year.

 

[416Klawzz]

We need a shake up man

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

How does that make any sense to you? The starting lineup scored 10 of those points in the first 5 minutes. The Jazz scored 4 points after they made the first sub out. They were up 10-2.

The Jazz were up 8-2 five minutes in when Korver subbed in for Ingles, but that doesn't inherently mean the starters were great. The starters were shooting 3/11 at that point. They forced several turnovers though.

 

[jom2003]

I like how people keep blaming it all on the starters when the majority of our bench players have simply been unplayable all year. I mean, just look at Thabo's numbers, Neto's numbers, Dante's numbers or even Korver's numbers. You can either find lackluster production, disastrous efficiency or both.

I don't remember when was the last time our bench actually outplayed the opponents and helped us win. I'd say only the Rockets have a more unplayable bench and it also has been the main cause to their struggles.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Jazz were up 8-2 five minutes in when Korver subbed in for Ingles, but that doesn't inherently mean the starters were great. The starters were shooting 3/11 at that point. They forced several turnovers though.

Defense is part of the game.

 

[Sandman822]

How does it not make sense for front-court touches? He brings the ball up from the backcourt to the frontcourt more often than Mitchell = more touches.

Because unless him crossing over the half court line counts as a second touch, him touching it in the backcourt and dribbling it up the frontcourt shouldn't qualify as a frontcourt touch since he touched it in the backcourt and dribbled it up the floor. To me a Rubio frontcourt touch would be something like him dribbling it up the floor (touch, not a frontcourt touch), he passes it off to someone and then he touches the ball again after receiving a pass from a teammate (frontcourt touch).

I'm struggling to find clarification on that online, the tracking glossary is pretty useless on the stats.nba.com page.

 

[Tragic66]

The starters built nice leads in the 1st and 3rd quarters. They played great.

Yep and they lost.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Because unless him crossing over the half court line counts as a second touch, him touching it in the backcourt and dribbling it up the frontcourt shouldn't qualify as a frontcourt touch since he touched it in the backcourt and dribbled it up the floor. To me a Rubio frontcourt touch would be something like him dribbling it up the floor (touch, not a frontcourt touch), he passes it off to someone and then he touches the ball again after receiving a pass from a teammate (frontcourt touch).

I'm struggling to find clarification on that online, the tracking glossary is pretty useless on the stats.nba.com page.

Yeah, I'm not sure on all that.

 

[Tragic66]

So they played really good besides hitting shots but no one should be happy with their defensive effort, their effort on rebounds, and their aggressiveness getting to the FT line?

OK.

Because unless you score more than the opposition, the rest is meaningless. Losses with good defence, effort etc. are still losses. In fact it just shows despite that effort, your players aren’t good enough.

 

[Jaymz]

https://stats.nba.com/players/touch...r Season&TeamID=1610612762&sort=TOUCHES&dir=1

I find it very interesting that Rubio by far and away leads the team in touches per game and has more frontcourt touches than Mitchell. Not really sure what it means but it's surprising to me.

Have you ever seen Rubio not be a ball dominant PG? That would strip his identity and render him even more useless than he has been.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Because unless you score more than the opposition, the rest is meaningless. Losses with good defence, effort etc. are still losses. In fact it just shows despite that effort, your players aren’t good enough.

No, it shows that it's just one game and they had an outlier shooting performance.

Sometimes teams lose games. It happens. Earlier in the year the Jazz were getting blown out in losses because they completely let go and didnt stay focused on defense. This game they play **** on offense but kept to their strength on defense.

That's encouraging.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

Lots of people on their periods in this thread. Maybe join another teams fan base. Cause there is no room on this train for half *** fans. Win or lose. We back them. Choo Choo mother ****ers


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[Jingled]

We won't go far with Rubio and Ingles in the starting lineup with both getting 33 minutes even when they don't play well.

If we had guy's at their positions that were outplaying them then you'd have a point but we don't. What do you want us to do put Exum and O'Neale in the starting lineup? The starting lineup already has enough trouble on offense but if you put a lineup of Exum, Mitchell, O'Neale, Favors and Gobert out there the offense is going to be 10x worse.

 

[Utesnjazz]

We don't suck but we are a major disappointment. The silver lining to this latest disappointing loss is that we should see that we have to upgrade Rubio. I hate picking on him, but the guy simply isn't good enough to take us where we all expect to be.

He was not good at any aspect of basketball tonight. That's pretty freaking hard to do.

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This. Rubio is a great person, a really great dude. We all can see that but he is so bad at times it can make your eyes bleed. We all want him to make shots but it’s just not going to consistently happen. I would roll with exum as the starter.

 

[homeytennis]

If our bench is so bad why not try Naz, Bradley and Cavanaugh?

 

[LoPo]

I counted 1 game (I think it was a Dallas game?) But 9 out of our 10 last possessions were donovan dribbling the ball up the court and forcing something. There was LITERALLY 0 passing from him. Even tmac said 2 days ago if donovan wants to be anything like d wade he needs to assist more. His assists and turnovers are almost 1:1

4 or 5 of our last 10 possessions was Rubio clanking a wide open 3 or missing a close one or getting to the FT line.



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[Jazz]

Start Exum, give him 33 minutes with Rubio coming off the bench and then let's see the results.

Definitely agree. Time for quin to let Dante start and tell him to attack. Don't tell him to stand in the corner no u don't do that. The team lacks athleticism. So put your fastest and most athletic player on