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Favs is a good player and we should hold onto him until Pascal Siakam, the ultimate match for Quin's system, becomes available in 2020. Yes, more so than any of the players(i.e. Mirotic, Tobias, etc) mentioned on this forum. Him+Rudy would truly elevate our defense to championship contending level.
 
jom2003 said:

Favs is a good player and we should hold onto him until Pascal Siakam, the ultimate match for Quin's system, becomes available in 2020. Yes, more so than any of the players(i.e. Mirotic, Tobias, etc) mentioned on this forum. Him+Rudy would truly elevate our defense to championship contending level.
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Honestly I think Toronto is going to throw everything at him to keep him. It would be nice to get him, but Toronto would need another star to play with Leonard (if he stays) if they are willing to trade him

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LoPo said:
Kawhi is going to leave Toronto and then Toronto will do everything to keep this guy.
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This video has made a point. He's the kind of player to make good teams great. No point for Toronto to throw everything to keep him if they can't keep Kawhi. Just like there's no incentive for us to go after him if Gobert's gone. The perfect complementary piece, but nothing more.
 
Kyoto said:
Honestly I think Toronto is going to throw everything at him to keep him. It would be nice to get him, but Toronto would need another star to play with Leonard (if he stays) if they are willing to trade him

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there'll be a chance if Kawhi leaves by the end of the season and they go full rebuild mode. Big "if" though. The idea of him pairing up with Gobert is just way too tempting.
 
jom2003 said:
there'll be a chance if Kawhi leaves by the end of the season and they go full rebuild mode. Big "if" though. The idea of him pairing up with Gobert is just way too tempting.
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Well Toronto gave up too much to just let him walk at the end of the season. Honestly with either scenario, going for a chip or rebuild, I see Toronto keeping siakam

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jom2003 said:
there'll be a chance if Kawhi leaves by the end of the season and they go full rebuild mode. Big "if" though. The idea of him pairing up with Gobert is just way too tempting.
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Even if they go into a rebuild they're keeping Siakam. Only way he's leaving Toronto anytime soon is if he publicly comes out and demands a trade which is very unlikely.

edit: But I agree that Siakam/Gobert would be crazy good. Siakam as a small ball 5 on the bench unit with Exum and three shooters would be insane too. One of my favourite players in the NBA, I really enjoyed his podcast with Zach Lowe too.
 
Sandman822 said:
Even if they go into a rebuild they're keeping Siakam. Only way he's leaving Toronto anytime soon is if he publicly comes out and demands a trade which is very unlikely.
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yeah it's gonna be tough. Toronto has to be in full rebuild mode in 2020 & we have to throw in a huge contract offer. both pretty unlikely to happen. but Siakam pretty much represents everything we are looking for at the PF spot.

Maybe drafting DeAndre Hunter this year and letting him develop into a Siakam-typa player is a more realistic approach.
 
At some point, we need to say screw it and trade a bunch of assets for a player like Siakim or another who fits. We have an old roster in a lot of ways, and a roster that needs to win now. Hoping picks in their 20s turns into a difference maker is foolish.

Crowder, Ingles, Thabo, and Korver are at the end of their primes. Gobert, Rubio and Favors are in their primes.

Turn picks into a difference maker if we can get him. If that guy is Siakim should Kawhi leave, trade for him. Send a **** ton of picks. Our Gobert window is now and we can have another window later since Mitchell is so young.
 
LoPo said:
At some point, we need to say screw it and trade a bunch of assets for a player like Siakim or another who fits. We have an old roster in a lot of ways, and a roster that needs to win now. Hoping picks in their 20s turns into a difference maker is foolish.

Crowder, Ingles, Thabo, and Korver are at the end of their primes. Gobert, Rubio and Favors are in their primes.

Turn picks into a difference maker if we can get him. If that guy is Siakim should Kawhi leave, trade for him. Send a **** ton of picks. Our Gobert window is now and we can have another window later since Mitchell is so young.
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Both Siakam and Gobert are from picks in the 20s...
 
LoPo said:
Our Gobert window is now and we can have another window later since Mitchell is so young.
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We’re not talking about a 31 year old and 22 year old. They are only 4.2 years apart in age and Gobert is not quite in his prime yet. And Crowder should have another 3-4 solid years in him. At least.

I would however like us to say **** it and really go after an asset if one’s to be had.
 
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LoPo said:
At some point, we need to say screw it and trade a bunch of assets for a player like Siakim or another who fits. We have an old roster in a lot of ways, and a roster that needs to win now. Hoping picks in their 20s turns into a difference maker is foolish.

Crowder, Ingles, Thabo, and Korver are at the end of their primes. Gobert, Rubio and Favors are in their primes.

Turn picks into a difference maker if we can get him. If that guy is Siakim should Kawhi leave, trade for him. Send a **** ton of picks. Our Gobert window is now and we can have another window later since Mitchell is so young.
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Who says we haven't tried?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
We’re not talking about a 31 year old and 22 year old. They are only 4.2 years apart in age and Gobert is not quite in his prime yet. And Crowder should have another 3-4 solid years in him. At least.

I would however like us to say **** it and really go after an asset of one’s to be had.
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I love Gobert, but I don't think he is one of those guys who is going to play at this current incredible level into his 30's. If he loses some lateral agility, he could be in trouble.

Crowder, Rubio, Korver, Favors, and Ingles are what they are. By the time a late draft pick matures, they likely aren't as good.

We need to get somebody who #1 we know can play and #2 improves us right now.


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Handlogten's Heros said:
I think LoPo is antsy... Favs and Exum have been trade eligible for 15 minutes and we haven’t made a move... not sure what we are waiting for.
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Lol.

Nah, I just have a feeling we get comfortable with what we have, get destroyed in another 2nd round series, and bring back pretty much the same team next season because there are too many buyers this summer.

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Sandman822 said:
I'm not saying he's having a bad season, I'm saying that the contract scares me a little bit with his age and injury history. No different to KLove in my mind, if you can get either one of those guys and they're healthy for most of their contract then it's a no brainer but I think there's enough significant injury history for both of those guys where you really need to re-evaluate if the risk is worth the benefit of getting one of those guys.

I think Griffin deserves a ton of credit for being able to change his game to be much less reliant on his athleticism though, I wouldn't have thought that he would become a respectable 3pt shooter for example.
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Not to discount the risk involved but this team is stuck being a 3-5 seed ceiling. They need to add a player like Griffin AND a pg who had the impact George Hill had. If they take the risk and it doesn't work out then the ceiling is still in that same range.
 
Griffin’s contract is gigantic (and, therefore, entails some significant risk), but there isn’t another potentially gettable PF who would fit better on our team. He’s stretchy; he’s a playmaker; and he’s a bucket-getter. He’d elevate the game of all our problematic/developing guards, too.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Not to discount the risk involved but this team is stuck being a 3-5 seed ceiling. They need to add a player like Griffin AND a pg who had the impact George Hill had. If they take the risk and it doesn't work out then the ceiling is still in that same range.
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You're not wrong about this team having a 2nd round ceiling but I disagree that having a 2nd round ceiling means they need to take a risk on a guy with significant injury history like Griffin now. I'd rather have someone who fits Mitchell's and to a lesser degree Gobert's timeline in Aaron Gordon for example, who's similar to the Griffin model but not as good, yet is only 23 yrs old and is still developing. He also has a frontloaded contract so that if it doesn't work out he only costs $16 mil in his final year vs a $39 mil player option for Griffin in his final year.

A deal for Griffin or Love locks the Jazz into competing over the next 2 - 3 years and if it doesn't work out (e.g. injuries) then you're trying to retool around a Gobert who is approaching the wrong side of 30 and a max contract Mitchell in his prime. If you were going to do that deal you would want to be damn sure that their health and medical info checks out and you're confident in them remaining healthy while also banking on their play to not significantly decline.

I think a really good example of what I'm trying to say is happening in Philly right now with Butler. Dude has injury history, doesn't fit the timeline of the other two young stars, and it's a real debate about whether or not it was the right move.
 
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