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The "Don't Draft Chris Singleton" Thread

And hit them at an absurd 57%. And did everything else. Singleton's game is not offense, and he's not a fluent shooter. This is as much fact as anything in this draft.

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Draft Report: Chris Singleton Of Florida State

By: Christopher Reina
Jun 17, 2011 4:23 AM EDT
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Chris Singleton is one of the better pure defenders in the draft, possesses a shockingly reliable jumper and exhibits an excellent natural toughness to his character, which makes him project as such an invaluable role player.
Without question, Singleton is not the type of player you expect him to be when you first see him step onto the floor.
He doesn’t have a ton of skill with the ball in his hands. His handle is very shaky and he is not a very good passer. If Singleton can avoid putting the ball on the deck altogether, it would be better for everyone.
But he can very nearly be described as a knockdown jump shooter, a shot he is extremely confident in. Nobody would ever guess he is such a good shooter by looking at how he catches the ball and first begins his shot. It is more on the Shawn Marion side of pretty than the Ray Allen side. But it is effective and his range will extend to the NBA three-point line.
Because of his jumper, he can play the high post and also is useful in the pick and pop where his wide frame creates a big screen. Singleton’s accuracy, however, drops substantially when he dribbles into his jumper.
He also struggles to score out of cuts, which is related to his general inability to put the ball on the floor well.
In the low post, Singleton does a good job of initiating contact and uses his toughness to advantage. He has a nice little spin move and a streaky baby hook. His low post game is far from refined, but does show legitimate promise. He even will use his left hand a little bit. Singleton didn’t have a ton of post usage, but his efficiency was excellent.
Singleton was the ACC Defensive Player of the Year, using his length, energy and strength to be an impact player on that side of the floor.
He is constantly hustling and being a general nuisance. But his technique and footwork needs refinement. Singleton is turned around constantly when in help, where the offensive player with the ball will probably see the back of his head far more than his eyes. He is susceptible to getting backdoored and not being in appropriate position.
As a rebounder, Singleton is capable of becoming very productive since he is so active and long. He does need to give a more consistent effort, particularly in boxing out since he has been able to get away with shortcuts relying on his athleticism.




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Again I say Battier anyone? Give me a defensive stopper that can hit the 3 at the 12th pick and I am good to go.
 
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Draft Report: Chris Singleton Of Florida State

By: Christopher Reina
Jun 17, 2011 4:23 AM EDT
Singleton_Chris_ncaa_110528.jpg
Chris Singleton is one of the better pure defenders in the draft, possesses a shockingly reliable jumper and exhibits an excellent natural toughness to his character, which makes him project as such an invaluable role player.
Without question, Singleton is not the type of player you expect him to be when you first see him step onto the floor.
He doesn’t have a ton of skill with the ball in his hands. His handle is very shaky and he is not a very good passer. If Singleton can avoid putting the ball on the deck altogether, it would be better for everyone.
But he can very nearly be described as a knockdown jump shooter, a shot he is extremely confident in. Nobody would ever guess he is such a good shooter by looking at how he catches the ball and first begins his shot. It is more on the Shawn Marion side of pretty than the Ray Allen side. But it is effective and his range will extend to the NBA three-point line.
Because of his jumper, he can play the high post and also is useful in the pick and pop where his wide frame creates a big screen. Singleton’s accuracy, however, drops substantially when he dribbles into his jumper.
He also struggles to score out of cuts, which is related to his general inability to put the ball on the floor well.
In the low post, Singleton does a good job of initiating contact and uses his toughness to advantage. He has a nice little spin move and a streaky baby hook. His low post game is far from refined, but does show legitimate promise. He even will use his left hand a little bit. Singleton didn’t have a ton of post usage, but his efficiency was excellent.
Singleton was the ACC Defensive Player of the Year, using his length, energy and strength to be an impact player on that side of the floor.
He is constantly hustling and being a general nuisance. But his technique and footwork needs refinement. Singleton is turned around constantly when in help, where the offensive player with the ball will probably see the back of his head far more than his eyes. He is susceptible to getting backdoored and not being in appropriate position.
As a rebounder, Singleton is capable of becoming very productive since he is so active and long. He does need to give a more consistent effort, particularly in boxing out since he has been able to get away with shortcuts relying on his athleticism.




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Again I say Battier anyone? Give me a defensive stopper that can hit the 3 at the 12th pick and I am good to go.


Basic statistics disagree with this statement. And Battier was a much, much better offensive player in college than Singleton and the only reason he was so good on defense was because of his smarts and his willingness to do anything. Singleton relies on athleticism. Slight differences, but a Shane Battier comparison is just bad.
 
I'm not worried about Singleton's shot, its his terrible handle and inability to create anything for himself. We don't have Deron Williams to spoon feed anymore, its going to take a collective effort to get good looks.
 
A 'shockingly reliable jumper'? 'Range that WILL extend to the NBA 3'? When did Chris Singleton become Paul George? This is a very interesting development.
 
In catch and shoot situations he's far more effective, making 43% of his attempts at 1.28 points per shot, the 4th best in this group.

Singelton would be well served cutting out the 1.5 pull-up jumpers he shoots every game at the next level, as he only makes 29% of these attempts.

He is a decent to good catch and shoot player. This is where the "shockingly reliable jumper" is coming from. Obviously when you ask him to put the ball on the floor, his % diminish greatly.
 
In catch and shoot situations he's far more effective, making 43% of his attempts at 1.28 points per shot, the 4th best in this group.

Singelton would be well served cutting out the 1.5 pull-up jumpers he shoots every game at the next level, as he only makes 29% of these attempts.

He is a decent to good catch and shoot player. This is where the "shockingly reliable jumper" is coming from. Obviously when you ask him to put the ball on the floor, his % diminish greatly.

Even Chris said himself his weakness was putting the ball on the floor. If he could somehow improve that, then he'd be a no brainer at #12
 
In catch and shoot situations he's far more effective, making 43% of his attempts at 1.28 points per shot, the 4th best in this group.

Singelton would be well served cutting out the 1.5 pull-up jumpers he shoots every game at the next level, as he only makes 29% of these attempts.

He is a decent to good catch and shoot player. This is where the "shockingly reliable jumper" is coming from. Obviously when you ask him to put the ball on the floor, his % diminish greatly.

We should draft a guy at 12 with the idea that we just need to set him up with shots all game? EVERYBODY drafted in the lottery can create their own shot in college. But most guys who could do that in college can't do it in the pros. Look at Reddick as just one example. Created a million shots for himself in college. Can't create one in the NBA. So I'm not drafting a guy who can't create his own shot in college in the lottery. At 20, Singleton's a solid prospect. If teams value him higher than that, you let him go.
 
We should draft a guy at 12 with the idea that we just need to set him up with shots all game? EVERYBODY drafted in the lottery can create their own shot in college. But most guys who could do that in college can't do it in the pros. Look at Reddick as just one example. Created a million shots for himself in college. Can't create one in the NBA. So I'm not drafting a guy who can't create his own shot in college in the lottery. At 20, Singleton's a solid prospect. If teams value him higher than that, you let him go.

Yeah, but Reddick can't create do to his lack of size and athletic ability. Singleton doesn't have that problem. I think a good example would be Trevor Ariza. 3 years ago everyone here would love to have Ariza. I think Singleton can become a more consistent Trevor Ariza.
 
Yeah, but Reddick can't create do to his lack of size and athletic ability. Singleton doesn't have that problem. I think a good example would be Trevor Ariza. 3 years ago everyone here would love to have Ariza. I think Singleton can become a more consistent Trevor Ariza.

That's very optimistic, and Ariza is vastly overpaid for a playoff performance. He's a 20 minute guy playing 30 minutes. And I don't think Singleton will even be that good.
 
That's very optimistic, and Ariza is vastly overpaid for a playoff performance. He's a 20 minute guy playing 30 minutes. And I don't think Singleton will even be that good.

If you look at their strengths and deficiencies, they are pretty similar. Only Singleton is a better catch and shoot and post player (coming out of college). They are both poor ball handlers and below average finish at the rim. Ariza has terrible shot selection in the NBA, which hurts him a lot. I think Singleton will understand his role more than Ariza does.

Although none of this matters if we get Williams since we will probably draft Jimmer. We can start complaining about how much our defense is going to suck by drafting two of the worst defenders in college basketball!
 
I think Singleton will be better than Butler. Everyone is caught up in the great story of Butler, and he is supposedly the 2nd coming of Matthews. I hope he does well, he seems like a good kid.
 
Is a worse 3 point shooter than Singleton.

Knew that was coming! Good work. Well, what can I say? Between that the difference in percentage is paltry and that I just feel Butler has a feel for the game and for offense that is immensely better and that he'll tailor his game accordingly, I guess that's how I feel the way I do. It is undeniable that he is the better overall scorer, and his shot is good. He also killed it in the shooting drills if you believe those mean anything at all.

I think Butler will be the annual "how did everyone miss on this kid last year" annual story that Landry Fields starred in last year.
 
Besides all of that, yes, Butler is likely to go in the "worth drafting a perimeter defender" range and I'm not suggesting drafting him with #12.
 
We should draft a guy at 12 with the idea that we just need to set him up with shots all game? EVERYBODY drafted in the lottery can create their own shot in college. But most guys who could do that in college can't do it in the pros. Look at Reddick as just one example. Created a million shots for himself in college. Can't create one in the NBA. So I'm not drafting a guy who can't create his own shot in college in the lottery. At 20, Singleton's a solid prospect. If teams value him higher than that, you let him go.

The only shots Redick created for himself were the ones where he pulled up from 30 ft and shot or where he pumped faked and drove. He was constantly coming off of screens, and not many people did it better than him. Even in college he struggled mightily with creating his shot, although he did improve immensely his senior year. And has improved a lot in the NBA, but like you said, still can't create his shot. Besides, why should we set up shots for a guy like Singleton who will most likely miss it anyways. It really all depends on who's left on the board, but Singleton isn't near the top of my choices at #12. I would almost guarantee we take Jordan Hamilton before we take Singleton.
 
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