The "Don't Draft Chris Singleton" Thread

[billyshelby]

Is a worse 3 point shooter than Singleton.

Lets look at Singleton's 3 point shooting.

In OOC games against good teams:

Florida: 0-3
Ohio State: 0-1
Butler: 6-12 (hats off)
Notre Dame: 1-2
VCU: 1-3

In ACC Games:

12-36.

The Butler game throws off the total stats entirely, but this is a pattern you see with him. The better the team, the worse he plays. My read on that is the guy is going to get absolutely killed when every team he faces is 10X better than Ohio State, and more importantly his shooting numbers won't hold up because he's not actually a very good shooter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lets look at Singleton's 3 point shooting.

In OOC games against good teams:

Florida: 0-3
Ohio State: 0-1
Butler: 6-12 (hats off)
Notre Dame: 1-2
VCU: 1-3

In ACC Games:

12-36.

The Butler game throws off the total stats entirely, but this is a pattern you see with him. The better the team, the worse he plays. My read on that is the guy is going to get absolutely killed when every team he faces is 10X better than Ohio State, and more importantly his shooting numbers won't hold up because he's not actually a very good shooter.

He was the best player on the team, defenses keyed in on him most likely (truthfully I don't watch FSU games, but I think this is an accurate assumption given he was the teams leading scorer.) In the NBA he will benefit from a complimentary role.

 

[MattMan]

He was the best player on the team, defenses keyed in on him most likely (truthfully I don't watch FSU games, but I think this is an accurate assumption given he was the teams leading scorer.) In the NBA he will benefit from a complimentary role.

Again, insert Jimmer's name in both of your points, and they're both true as well.

I see either Singleton and Jimmer as both bringing some massive question marks. I lean towards Jimmer due to the fact he preformed better in most situations where defenses keyed in on him.

 

[billyshelby]

The only shots Redick created for himself were the ones where he pulled up from 30 ft and shot or where he pumped faked and drove. He was constantly coming off of screens, and not many people did it better than him. Even in college he struggled mightily with creating his shot, although he did improve immensely his senior year. And has improved a lot in the NBA, but like you said, still can't create his shot. Besides, why should we set up shots for a guy like Singleton who will most likely miss it anyways. It really all depends on who's left on the board, but Singleton isn't near the top of my choices at #12. I would almost guarantee we take Jordan Hamilton before we take Singleton.

I'm only going off my memory, but he handled the ball a lot at Duke. He would get himself space on his jumpers and he was deadly accurate with a quick jumper. Singleton can't do that at all for himself. So if Reddick has underachieved in not being able to get space in the pros, it's insanity to think Singleton will suddenly learn how to do it.

 

[billyshelby]

He was the best player on the team, defenses keyed in on him most likely (truthfully I don't watch FSU games, but I think this is an accurate assumption given he was the teams leading scorer.) In the NBA he will benefit from a complimentary role.

He was the best player on a team that went to the Tourney. Hardly the only guy with talent. Your argument only works if other teams are keyed to stop him. But why would they do that if he has good teammates around him?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He was the best player on a team that went to the Tourney. Hardly the only guy with talent. Your argument only works if other teams are keyed to stop him. But why would they do that if he has good teammates around him?

They where the best defensive team in the nation, thats why they got in. Not because of anyone on the teams offensive prowess.

 

[Hantlers]

He was the best player on a team that went to the Tourney. Hardly the only guy with talent. Your argument only works if other teams are keyed to stop him. But why would they do that if he has good teammates around him?

In Dwill's defense, Florida State averaged something like 60 points a game (or at least in the games I watched) and their offense was terrible. They were only good because they were a very athletic and good defensive team. Offensive wise, they were terrible.

I'm only going off my memory, but he handled the ball a lot at Duke. He would get himself space on his jumpers and he was deadly accurate with a quick jumper. Singleton can't do that at all for himself. So if Reddick has underachieved in not being able to get space in the pros, it's insanity to think Singleton will suddenly learn how to do it.

Oh I completely agree with you here. I think Singleton's potential on offense based on what he has done thus far is very, very low.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't know why you are comparing Reddick to Singleton. They are completely different and are going to go about getting their shot two completely different ways.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I can't think of any reason whatsoever. How is Singleton and Reddick even remotely similar?

 

[billyshelby]

I don't know why you are comparing Reddick to Singleton. They are completely different and are going to go about getting their shot two completely different ways.

I'm not comparing Singleton to Reddick as players. Maybe it would have been better if I compared him to Aminu, same difference. Aminu could create offense in college even if he wasn't a great shooter. Just too good an athlete. Much more highly regarded coming out of college than Singleton. And in his second year, he shot exactly the same as Singleton from 3. The point is Aminu was definitely better at creating his own shot and he's currently lost in the pros as an athlete who isn't that good at basketball. Singleton is the same, but there's an extra year of data to confirm that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not comparing Singleton to Reddick as players. Maybe it would have been better if I compared him to Aminu, same difference. Aminu could create offense in college even if he wasn't a great shooter. Just too good an athlete. Much more highly regarded coming out of college than Singleton. And in his second year, he shot exactly the same as Singleton from 3. The point is Aminu was definitely better at creating his own shot and he's currently lost in the pros as an athlete who isn't that good at basketball. Singleton is the same, but there's an extra year of data to confirm that.

Your writing off Aminu after one year?

 

[Favors Flave]

Your writing off Aminu after one year?

Beat me to it. I actually liked what I saw from him during the time he got

 

[billyshelby]

Your writing off Aminu after one year?

Not exactly. But he's what I thought he would be. A guy who wouldn't translate to the pros right out of college. A guy who looks like a bust after year 1. A guy who the Clips would like to undraft. He is what Singleton is -- a fantastic athlete who isn't a very good basketball player that teams hope will become one.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Singleton is considered a better defender though, which will help him see more floor time. Aminu was considered more of a versatile defender than an actually good defender.

 

[calijazz]

I haven't read all of this thread...but if any of you actually saw the Jazz's defense last season, I don't why the hell any of you would be against drafting Singleton at #12 in a very weak draft. I am, quite frankly, sick of the o'lay defense. Nearly every aspect last season of it was horrible. Pick-and-roll defense, transition D, and rebounding were all horrible. Why would drafting the best defensive player in the draft be a bad thing? He would improve all of those things. Jimmer or Burks may be more exciting, but you need defense to win games too. Jazz don't have any of it right now. Anything he adds on offense is extra (which was really limited by Florida St's offense, so I think it's better than a lot of people think). And for the record, I like Jimmer and Burks as well. I just don't understand the anti-Singleton sentiment at all.

 

[jazzrule]

Singleton has bombed so badly in his play for teams leading up to the draft, that Draft Express now has him going at 9th. That should make some of you happy.