Championship Contenders Build The Front Court First!
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He is a Kanter homer. He wants Kanter to start right away even though he hasn't played competitively in ages. I think we really need to keep Jefferson to let Kanter grow. I think throwing him into the fire would not be a good idea and would hurt his development.
Ideally it should be Okur who should be traded at the deadline, especially if he doesnt look good. A rotation of Al, Kanter, Millsap and Favors would be good. And assuming Millsap sees some mins at SF, Kanter and Favors will still get easily 35-40 mins between them which should be good enough. Paying 10 mil to Memo just to be Kanter's mentor for 2 more years doesnt make sense.
Right now Okur's value is that he is an expiring contract. The only thing we are going to get back for him is a good player on a bad contract. I doubt the Jazz really want to take on a bad contract. Especially with the uncertainty of the new CBA.
Magic Spray
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NO.
undersized, under-performer, exploded Achilles tendon, rookie, foreign rookie.
I'll go with Bynum/Gasol/Odom or Nowitski/Chandler/whoever else or Perkins/Ibaka/Aldrich/Collison or ...
Tony parker, jennigs (i dont like him but he is better than harris), beaubois.
We can find a decent player plus a first round pick next year. We would get rid of those loaded contract and let younger players , kanter, favors start and grow. Will they improve their game with getting 15 mins a game?
Okur is a huge question mark right now
Kanter is a huge question mark right now
So basically, our front court is Millsap, Jefferson, Favors. That's a good front court, but not one of the tops in the NBA.
Now if Kanter turns out to be as good hoped, if Favors continues to develop, and if Okur returns to 90% of his previous form... then we'll start talking.
More realistically, it will take Kanter and Favors another couple of years, and Okur will no longer be under contract then. And Millsap might get traded. So then we've got Jefferson, Favors, Kanter. Will that be one of the top front courts then? Maybe.
Kanter is a huge question mark right now
So basically, our front court is Millsap, Jefferson, Favors. That's a good front court, but not one of the tops in the NBA.
Now if Kanter turns out to be as good hoped, if Favors continues to develop, and if Okur returns to 90% of his previous form... then we'll start talking.
More realistically, it will take Kanter and Favors another couple of years, and Okur will no longer be under contract then. And Millsap might get traded. So then we've got Jefferson, Favors, Kanter. Will that be one of the top front courts then? Maybe.
were u happy when Deron didnt start in his rookie year?
Right now we dont have a trainer , or tutor like Sloan, so no reason for Kanter to be prisoned in bench. I would start Kanter and Favors right away and give millsap major mins off the bench while giving jefferson away. I dont think jefferson will be the right man to help him grow, he has a big ego , so he wont be happy to see Kanter stealing mins from him, i dont wanna see any chemistry problems happening inside the team again
vslice02
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Sure if you don't count like 9 other teams.
GVC
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I don't think Memo should get minutes ahead of Jeremy Evans.
Really? Laker and maybe OKC who else?
Jefferson>>>Perkins
Milsap=Ibaka(because of his developing offensive game)
Okur(preinjury)>Collison
Favors>Aldrich(potential)
Kanter
jimmy eat jazz
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Uh . . . you're welcome. I don't think I helped you prove your point. Your OP was an affirmative assertion, I presented counter-examples of a number more than sufficient to demonstrate your assertion to be false. More, saying that Dallas had the best front court, therefore you're right is most definitely not right. Dallas did not build that team beginning with the front-line. Does it have a good front line? I think so. Did it build the team BEGINNING with the front line? No it did not.
Now, if your argument is something like this: I believe that having a good front line significantly enhances your chance of competing for the NBA title, then I think it's a potentially valid argument, and we'd probably be in agreement. But that's not what your OP asserted.
Now for the person who pointed out that Nowitski is a power forward, yes of course, that's the position he plays. But, in my opinion, his game in many ways more closely resembles that of a small forward. A relatively high percentage of his points come from the perimeter or outside the paint. He does rebound reasonably well, and he does have an good inside game, but he's not a banger and most definitely not a prototypical power forward. His game is much more similar to, say, Carmelo Anthony than a Carlos Boozer or a La Marcus Aldridge.
But as I see Dallas, it built around the core of Nowitski, Terry, and Kidd adding pieces around them. It didn't establish a strong front line and then build around that, which is what the OP certainly seems to be suggesting is required to contend for the championship. The fact that this is what some teams have successfully done does not prove the point, however, that it is therefore required.
Stifle Tower
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And look at the trade OKC made to try to address their weakness inside: giving up Green for Perkins.
I agree with the basic premise; build a solid front court if you can.
Even if Kanter is a bust or just an average player, he was the right choice. Enes can POTENTIALLY be a franchise-changing player. It's a high-risk pick. And one I was frankly surprised to see the Jazz make. Maybe that same pick doesn't get made with Larry and Jerry as 2 of the main voices. They'd probably vote for the safe, high-character, 4.3 GPA guy. Knight can and probably will be a solid PG. But it's unlikely he becomes top-5 (or even top-10) at his position.
And the same carries down to Burks. At 6'6" he can be a dominant force at SG. We've all been clamoring for a guy who can create offense. How many times do we see the PG have to throw up a shot with 1 second left on the clock? Burks and Hayward are both guys who have the ability to drive and shoot or drive and dish. This ain't gonna be your father's Jazz.
I agree with the basic premise; build a solid front court if you can.
Even if Kanter is a bust or just an average player, he was the right choice. Enes can POTENTIALLY be a franchise-changing player. It's a high-risk pick. And one I was frankly surprised to see the Jazz make. Maybe that same pick doesn't get made with Larry and Jerry as 2 of the main voices. They'd probably vote for the safe, high-character, 4.3 GPA guy. Knight can and probably will be a solid PG. But it's unlikely he becomes top-5 (or even top-10) at his position.
And the same carries down to Burks. At 6'6" he can be a dominant force at SG. We've all been clamoring for a guy who can create offense. How many times do we see the PG have to throw up a shot with 1 second left on the clock? Burks and Hayward are both guys who have the ability to drive and shoot or drive and dish. This ain't gonna be your father's Jazz.
GVC
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You need good team defenders, especially in the post. Low post scorers are getting rarer and less important in today's perimeter oriented, guard-driven NBA.
And Jeff Green isn't very good.
I think Favors should start over Kanter unless he comes and destroys everyone. Play the best players no matter who they are. Having depth up front is certain a key to winning basketball but Dallas succeed because they could defend and make 3 pts. Jazz are still a few shooters away from being true contenders. I think we have improved but the jury is still out on our team because of the youth.
Favors Flave
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Love to see those 9 other teams
And whoever said OKC better front court. There front court consists of nothing but role players or worse
we got the best prospect in this yrs draft, but probably we will have a decent starter at best, nothing close to Kanter talent base unless we dont make another trade and get a top 3 draft pick