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Which line-up is better?

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PF-Millsap
C-Jefferson
SF-CJ
SG-Hayward
PG-Harris

OR

PF-Favors
C-Kanter
SF-Evans
SG-Burks
PG-Watson

Those are the starters and backups I see right now to begin the season, especially if there's a short training camp and abbreviated season.

Do you realize that second unit, with the possible exception of SF, has the potential to be just as deadly as the first? That's why I'm excited for this season. Swap out a few players here and there if you like. Go big at SF with Millsap, go "small" with Hayward and Burks playing the wings. Even have Burks and Hayward playing the guard positions. The point is, no matter how you mix and match, the 2nd unit is going to be almost as good as the first.

This team can be scary good in 1-2 years. Imagine if the Jazz can trade their two picks for a veteran SF, or if one of them is high enough to get one of the premier SF's coming out next year.
 
We will never be scary good with CJ starting. Maybe someday he will find some confidence and consistency, but it isn't looking very good. We need to move him, Bell, Sap or some other combination to get some outside shooting. We addressed one need in the draft, although the big we got was not the defensive-minded we have needed, we did get longer. We absolutely did not help our outside shooting. Trade those guys for a solid 3-pt shooter to complement Hayward and you will have something. Bring back Memo to help with the outside threat and the inside will open for Favors, Jefferson, Kanter. Then we could become scary good.
 
CJ is only here for one more year. I had to put someone in at SF positions (unless I went with Hayward). Yes, definitely agree we need another good SF.

Right now, though, the bench is looking about as good as our starters. There will be growing pains with Kanter, Favors and Burks, but I feel a lot better about who we have this season than I did last year. I see the Jazz being very competitive. Might even surprise and make the playoffs.
 
DutchJazzer said:
CJ will have a bnreakout season its his contract year
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Bold. Is there some rule around here that everybody has to hate CJ? Seems to me he got better every year. I know it would be better if all players worked as hard as Millsap and Karl but the reality is those guys are far beyond the norm.

My theory is that CJ will get really good once he discovers the joys of defensive effort. He always seemed like a guy whose play revolved around his emotional state and if he makes some plays on the other side it could really help his confidence.
 
Pg-Harris
Sg-burks
Sf-Hayward
Pf-Favors
C-kanter

Hayward is a stud and once he got minutes and getting confidence he played aggressive and did awesome! Even kobe praised the kid!

Jefferson will still get 30 minutes a night if we put him at pf and center. He can play both position and he is fine coming off the bench.

I think we should trade Harris and sap for a young point guard.. Or trade sap to a lottery team (Detroit, Cleveland, kings, etc..) and pick up a of then.

We won't be good for atleast 2-3 years. It takes time to become good just by drafting people. Example- okc wasn't good for two years but after time they are top four team.
 
And cj is young.. All young players are streaky and take time to develop. Cj is a great player and he will be able drop 15-20 any night this season. I would rather have him at shooting guard instead of sf.. He isn't aggressive enough
 
LogGrad98 said:
We will never be scary good with CJ starting. Maybe someday he will find some confidence and consistency, but it isn't looking very good. We need to move him, Bell, Sap or some other combination to get some outside shooting. We addressed one need in the draft, although the big we got was not the defensive-minded we have needed, we did get longer. We absolutely did not help our outside shooting. Trade those guys for a solid 3-pt shooter to complement Hayward and you will have something. Bring back Memo to help with the outside threat and the inside will open for Favors, Jefferson, Kanter. Then we could become scary good.
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Agree completely. What SF's or SG's would you trade for that are 3 point shooters?
 
GlassEater said:
Those are the starters and backups I see right now to begin the season, especially if there's a short training camp and abbreviated season.
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Imagine if the Jazz can trade their two picks for a veteran SF, or if one of them is high enough to get one of the premier SF's coming out next year
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Agree with you on the lineups, and agree that I like the versatility they provide.
Don't forget the Jazz still owe Minnesota a 1st-rnd pick (top-14 protected in 2012 and top-16 protected in 2013), but I'm hoping the Warriors' pick will fall somewhere between 9-13 next season and they can draft a SF (possibly packaging it with a few players to move up higher).

As for CJ, last year Miles was asked to be thee guy off the bench to provide the scoring punch - basically giving him the green-light to shoot early and often - which is absolutely not what you want. A huge contrast to being the #1 guy on the 2nd-unit to the 2010 playoffs against Denver and the Lakers, where CJ played well as a starter and as the 3rd & 4th option - driving to the basket more and settling for the 3 mostly when he was open on the weakside.
He's not a sharpshooter and I doubt he'll ever have the mental toughness you'd like to see from him, but at $3.7 million it's not imperative that Utah trade him this offseason if Ty redefines his offensive role.
 
vslice02 said:
Agree with you on the lineups, and agree that I like the versatility they provide.
Don't forget the Jazz still owe Minnesota a 1st-rnd pick (top-14 protected in 2012 and top-16 protected in 2013), but I'm hoping the Warriors' pick will fall somewhere between 9-13 next season and they can draft a SF (possibly packaging it with a few players to move up higher).

As for CJ, last year Miles was asked to be thee guy off the bench to provide the scoring punch - basically giving him the green-light to shoot early and often - which is absolutely not what you want. A huge contrast to being the #1 guy on the 2nd-unit to the 2010 playoffs against Denver and the Lakers, where CJ played well as a starter and as the 3rd & 4th option - driving to the basket more and settling for the 3 mostly when he was open on the weakside.
He's not a sharpshooter and I doubt he'll ever have the mental toughness you'd like to see from him, but at $3.7 million it's not imperative that Utah trade him this offseason if Ty redefines his offensive role.
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Agree re: CJ. I'm actually hoping they pick up his option and he comes back as the starting SF. That takes the pressure off Burks and allows him to get his feet wet as a backup. I think CJ will have a lot of value at the deadline. If we could get a 1st for Ronnie B., we should be able to get a first for CJ from a contender looking for depth or a 6th-man or even an injury replacement.

RE: the draft picks, I was assuming the Jazz miss the playoffs, but Utah could very well sneak in. It's also not a given we get GS' pick. They could either tank or barely miss the playoffs but still move into the top-3.
 
GlassEater said:
PF-Millsap
C-Jefferson
SF-CJ
SG-Hayward
PG-Harris

OR

PF-Favors
C-Kanter
SF-Evans
SG-Burks
PG-Watson

Those are the starters and backups I see right now to begin the season, especially if there's a short training camp and abbreviated season.

Do you realize that second unit, with the possible exception of SF, has the potential to be just as deadly as the first? That's why I'm excited for this season. Swap out a few players here and there if you like. Go big at SF with Millsap, go "small" with Hayward and Burks playing the wings. Even have Burks and Hayward playing the guard positions. The point is, no matter how you mix and match, the 2nd unit is going to be almost as good as the first.
This team can be scary good in 1-2 years. Imagine if the Jazz can trade their two picks for a veteran SF, or if one of them is high enough to get one of the premier SF's coming out next year.
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I would like to see some burn for a second unit of Burks at point guard, Hayward at shooting guard, Evans at small forward, Kanter at power forward and Favors at center. This may end up being the starting unit in a few years. Starting team now Jefferson center, Favors power forward, Millsap small forward (give him a chance he has earned it), Hayward shooting guard and Harris point guard.
 
jazzrule said:
Starting team now Jefferson center, Favors power forward, Millsap small forward (give him a chance he has earned it), Hayward shooting guard and Harris point guard.
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That's a real possibility. Corbin said something at the end of the season about Millsap not playing a lot at SF, but that may change, especially given the drafting of Kanter. There was a time Sloan (or KOC) said Millsap could guard perhaps 3 positions. I'm a fan of Evans. I'd like to see him develop into a combo forward. He could certainly get out and run with the other young guys.
 
i should have posted this on this thread:

do we have a chance to trade for danny granger? he's exactly what we need. trade millsap, bell and a future first round pick for granger.

our starting five would look like this:

harris 33 min - watson 10 min - burks 5 min
hayward 25 min - burks 11 min - miles 12 min
granger 34 min - miles 8 min - evans 6 min
favors 29 min - kanter 14 min - okur 5 min
jefferson 34 min - kanter 8 min - okur 6 min

that's a 10 player rotation. we could add a veteran player who plays the guard position for the minimum. i'd like this kind of a 10 - 11 player rotation and i think we would fight for the 7th, 8th spot in the conference. in three or four years, we might become a top 5 team in the west with building around a core of kanter, favors and hayward/burks. the future looks bright.
 
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